mass grave of 800 infants found at Galway 'fallen women' home

[el-ahrairah]

Perhaps you want a diagram?

Read Goretti Horgans article, it explains quite well how 'everyone' suffered under the state and religious institutions, scars that affect most 'Irish' families to this day. Remnants of British colonialism in Ireland.

no, i didn't understand what you were saying. i was asking for more information on how queen victoria made the irish catholic church neglect children. i was interested in learning something.

but i've since realised that you're an idiot, so it probably isn't worth my effort reading that article if you think brendan o'neill is a source on anything.

 

[Ld222]

I know they weren't all dumped in the septic tank. But it is a fact that nearly 800 children died in unspeakable circumstances and the local community knew and did fuck all.

It's not a 'very different' story at all. Ireland doesn't come out any better. It's still fucking evil to do this to unmarried mothers and their children

"it is a fact that nearly 800 children died in unspeakable circumstances"

Quite true and unforgivable, I have a relative, an uncle who I have never met, who's mother has not seen him since he was an infant child. We don't if he is dead or alive. There is nothing we can do about. His mother, 'my dear aunt' is to guilt ridden and ashamed to even talk about.

How dare you, what would know about what local communities had to endure here. What exactly do you expect the local community would have been able to, who would they go too??

We seen what happened in Derry 1972 when British Soldiers shot and murdered Irish civilians in the streets for daring to protest for basic civil rights 'One Man, One vote'. Where do think Britain was getting it's cheap surplus of labour from??

Who was building the motorways and council estates??

Irish men
The Catholic right and some right wing journalists have tried to portray the fight for women’s rights as a ‘battle of the sexes’, where any advance for women has to mean suffering for men. This is not true. Women certainly bore the brunt of sexual repression and church domination, but men too suffered greatly. The dreadful psychological and psychiatric effects of celibacy and late marriage on the bachelors of rural Ireland are well documented. They lived empty, lonely lives and died alone. [79]

For decades married men who couldn’t get work in Ireland travelled to England to dig ditches, build railways and make motorways. They worked all hours to make money to send home to the wives and children they saw once, at best twice, a year. They shared squalid bedsits for one with two or three other married men. The stereotype of the drunk Irishman in London is of someone who drinks every penny he makes. In fact, many worked such long hours they had time for drinking only, or at least mainly, at weekends. There are loads of songs by and about these men, but we rarely think about what they really meant:

The only time I feel alright is when I’m into drinking
It eases up the pain a bit and stops my mind from thinking
That it’s a long, long way from Clare to here

Working such long hours, they could have afforded a good lifestyle if they hadn’t been sending most of their money home. By no stretch of anyone’s imagination can it be argued these men benefited from the oppression of their wives and daughters in Ireland. Quite the opposite. If there had been jobs open to their wives, maybe they would not have had to live such miserable lives. Then, when they were too old to work, they returned ‘home’ to a wife and children who didn’t know them and who had built lives of which they had no part. And before they had time to get to know these wives and children, the lost years caught up on them and they died strangers in the home they had worked their lives away to build and maintain.
http://www.marxists.org/history/etol/newspape/isj2/2001/isj2-091/horgan.htm

 

[Ld222]

And Brendan O'Neill is a misogynist creep and his opinion about this atrocity is worth less than the dirt on my shoe

This is not about your taste in journalists, their all guttersnipes as far I'm concern.

This about the actual article and as far I can see it argues on the side of common sense. Is there any thing in the actual article which you dispute??

 

[Ld222]

http://stavvers.wordpress.com/2011/07/01/brendan-oneill-is-still-a-weeping-syphilitic-chode/
O'Neill thinks abuse victims should STFU,fucking piece of shit

Holy fuck!! What a utter cunt!! It's a pity I didn't get a chance to read this before, I posted his article!!

 

[tufty79]

This is not about your taste in journalists, their all guttersnipes as far I'm concern.

This about the actual article and as far I can see it argues on the side of common sense. Is there any thing in the actual article which you dispute??

Holy fuck!! What a utter cunt!

this is not about your taste in journalists..

 

[trashpony]

Holy fuck!! What a utter cunt!! It's a pity I didn't get a chance to read this before, I posted his article!!

You mean it's a pity you didn't bother to research your sources. Dolt

 

[Ld222]

this is not about your taste in journalists..

Some of earlier work is outright disgusting, but it does not make his points in this particular article any less valid.

 

[Ld222]

You mean it's a pity you didn't bother to research your sources. Dolt

I was arguing on the merits of the article alone, which still stand.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

And Brendan O'Neill is a misogynist creep and his opinion about this atrocity is worth less than the dirt on my shoe

Brendan O'Neill is a wannabe Rod Liddle. Which is like aspiring to be worthless but never quite getting that good.

 

[fucthest8]

Did I just hear the report on Radio 6 right?

"... the mass grave may not date from the Potato famine as previously thought"

So, 10 days in and the BBC is reporting it as if it's only just been realised the grave may be more recent? FFS.

 

[Idris2002]

Brendan O'Neill is a wannabe Rod Liddle. Which is like aspiring to be worthless but never quite getting that good.

At least Liddle has an amusing comedy haircut.

According to this piece in the Irish Times, the story is a wee bit more complicated than "800 weans in a septic tank":

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/soci...e-with-the-septic-tank-story-1.1823393?page=1

Which doesn't change the fact that some truly awful things went on there - but you can be sure that the Faith and Fatherland crowd will now start crowing that the nuns have been wrongly maligned.

 

[Dr_Herbz]

<snip> - but you can be sure that the Faith and Fatherland crowd will now start crowing that the nuns have been wrongly maligned.

"God works in mysterious ways..."

 

[DotCommunist]

Did I just hear the report on Radio 6 right?

"... the mass grave may not date from the Potato famine as previously thought"

So, 10 days in and the BBC is reporting it as if it's only just been realised the grave may be more recent? FFS.

the beeb are great aint they? Just like when they realised there might be far right elements among 'pro democracy' protestors in ukrain. We pay handsomely for these pravda twats to plate up their own shit and serve it to us as news.

 

[Ld222]

no, i didn't understand what you were saying. i was asking for more information on how queen victoria made the irish catholic church neglect children. i was interested in learning something.

The 'Irish Catholic Church' died out with Penal system in Ireland and was replaced with replaced with Ultra Conservative version more suitable to Imperial Britain.

"In Ireland, Penal Laws, Na Péindlíthe are a series of laws imposed in an attempt to force Irish Catholics and Protestant dissenters (such as Presbyterians) to accept the reformed denomination as defined by the English state establishment."

"The Penal Laws were, according to Edmund Burke "a machine of wise and elaborate contrivance, as well fitted for the oppression, impoverishment and degradation of a people, and the debasement in them of human nature itself, as ever proceeded from the perverted ingenuity of man."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_Laws_(Ireland)

The British Queen Vic, just happened to be at the helm of the British empire during its biggest eugenics experiment in Ireland to date. An experiment which killed of 1.5 million Irish people and further 3 million emigrated.

As you can imagine this left the majority of rest of the Irish people in very vulnerable and exploitable state and at the mercy of an army of the newly ordained 'ultra conservative catholic clergy' fresh out of 'British Prime ministers William Pitt's 'Maynooth Seminary'.

Victoria's hand in all this is more to do with class allegiance rather than gender, Although, I doubt this might be well beyond the comprehension of your pseudo middle class morality.

but i've since realised that you're an idiot, so it probably isn't worth my effort reading that article if you think brendan o'neill is a source on anything.

O'Neill is gombeen lackey, it doesn't make the points he has made in this particular article any less valid.

 

[sleaterkinney]

The English wanted a strong Catholic church in Ireland?. Rubbish. Where did this idiot come from?.

 

[DotCommunist]

thats got to be nonsense, lizzie 1 pushed proddyism into NI, although by this time the tridentine counter-reformation had been working ireland tirelessly and successfully portrayed the protestant faith as an invaders heresy. The role of the british state from then on in has always been to prop up the protestant minority in order to keep some tenuos claim to a bit of a strategically important island just off our shoulder.

at least, thats the way I read it.

 

[Idris2002]

The famine as eugenics experiment. That one is up there with chemtrails and "the moon landing was a hoax".

 

[Ld222]

The English wanted a strong Catholic church in Ireland?. Rubbish. Where did this idiot come from?.

Are you denying it was British PM William Pitts idea to build 'Maynooth Seminary'?

 

[Ld222]

The famine as eugenics experiment. That one is up there with chemtrails and "the moon landing was a hoax".

Famine?? There was no famine, there was blight on potatos, that's it, during that time Ireland had the biggest export of 'Corn' in Western Europe. For every boat of relief that came in, there was seven boats that left full of Beef, chicken, barley etc.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Are you denying it was British PM William Pitts idea to build 'Maynooth Seminary'?

This is a serious and disturbing thread, can you take this boll**ks elsewhere?

 

[goldenecitrone]

Did I just hear the report on Radio 6 right?

"... the mass grave may not date from the Potato famine as previously thought"

So, 10 days in and the BBC is reporting it as if it's only just been realised the grave may be more recent? FFS.

Yep. They deliberately missed out 'as previously thought over 40 years ago.'

 

[Ld222]

This is a serious and disturbing thread, can you take this boll**ks elsewhere?

It's alright when your blaming 'backward Ireland' for these 'ill's', but 'gawd' forbid we try and get to the bottom of the social and economic reasons to how these homes came about!!!

 

[Barking_Mad]

Good job it's only those 'uncivilized barbarians out east' that treat women like shit, eh?

 

[Idris2002]

Famine?? There was no famine, there was blight on potatos, that's it, during that time Ireland had the biggest export of 'Corn' in Western Europe. For every boat of relief that came in, there was seven boats that left full of Beef, chicken, barley etc.

And it was done deliberately for the LOLS, as an 'eugenics experiment'? Feck off, you eejit.

 

[Ld222]

Maynooth: a Catholic Seminary in a Protestant state
‘For the peace and security of the kingdom’

The foundation of St Patrick’s College, Maynooth, in 1795 represented a revolution in the history of Irish Catholicism. The penal era was drawing to a close, but the French Revolution and the loss of the continental colleges threatened the supply of priests to Ireland; of 478 seminary places in Europe before the revolution, ninety per cent were in France and the Netherlands. By shrewdly exploiting this crisis, the Irish bishops secured the endowment of a Catholic seminary from the Protestant state.

http://www.historyireland.com/18th-...th-a-catholic-seminary-in-a-protestant-state/

 

[sleaterkinney]

It's alright when your blaming 'backward Ireland' for these 'ill's', but 'gawd' forbid we try and get to the bottom of the social and economic reasons to how these homes came about!!!

Did it stop in 1922 then?

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

The English wanted a strong Catholic church in Ireland?. Rubbish. Where did this idiot come from?.

Have a read......
http://pubs.socialistreviewindex.org.uk/isj91/horgan.htm

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

Did it stop in 1922 then?

Civil war erupted. Leaving more people in abject poverty...and don't forget the government had sent over the black and tans, many if whom were ex cons let out for the purpose of squashing the irish rebels. They killed plenty innocents too. Life was utterly shit....and remained so for a long time.
You need to read a decent history of Ireland before saying that things should have been better.
Nobody had anything.
Infant mortality rates were much higher than in the uk....right up to the 60's.

It wasn't going to suddenly improve post 1922... mostly because the state had been left with nothing....

 

[Idris2002]

Maynooth: a Catholic Seminary in a Protestant state
‘For the peace and security of the kingdom’

The foundation of St Patrick’s College, Maynooth, in 1795 represented a revolution in the history of Irish Catholicism. The penal era was drawing to a close, but the French Revolution and the loss of the continental colleges threatened the supply of priests to Ireland; of 478 seminary places in Europe before the revolution, ninety per cent were in France and the Netherlands. By shrewdly exploiting this crisis, the Irish bishops secured the endowment of a Catholic seminary from the Protestant state.

http://www.historyireland.com/18th-...th-a-catholic-seminary-in-a-protestant-state/

And Catholic emancipation didn't come until more than twenty years after that.

 

[trashpony]

There is to be a Commission of Investigation into this and other Homes: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27775763

Homes were occupied by 35,000 unmarried pregnant women