trashpony
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And yet more of those children in their care died than in the impoverished general population.
mass grave of 800 infants found at Galway 'fallen women' home
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And yet more of those children in their care died than in the impoverished general population.
bubblesmcgrath
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Very true and I hope they are fully investigated and that an inquiry is carried out into the religious orders and the corruption and complicit nature of the elected successive governments' involvement.
bubblesmcgrath
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I actually do think that overcrowding had a lot to do with the deaths from tb typhoid fever and measles.
But just to give an example of infant mortality on one road in the 40's.. My dad grew up in an inner city area. Forty families lived on the same road. Every family lost between two and five infants between birth and 3 years of age. I can remember my dad telling me how the kids on the road went together to the funerals.
I remember reading a comparisin of infant mortality rates in Ireland and the UK. If I can locate it online I'll post it. The rates were much much higher here.
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
Of course. But the death rate amongst illegitimate children, who overwhelmingly ended up in places like Tuam, was still three times higher than amongst legitimate ones.
(A Dr Rowlette, quoted in the Irish Press in 1936)
bubblesmcgrath
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In 1926 in Ireland 120 of every 1,000 babies under the age of one died compared to six of every 1,000 today.36As late as 1949 over 50 of every 1,000 babies died before the age of one. One child in 16 born in 1949 did not live to see her or his fifth birthday. Diarrhoea and enteritis were the biggest killers of babies. Tuberculosis and other preventable and treatable diseases swept through the slums, killing older children. All these children died of poverty.
Yes...I have read that too.
It is despicable.
I'm also sure that there will be more bodies found at other locations in Ireland.
I've been reading about Bessborough and how the nuns are now denying that babies were taken without the mother's consent and put up for adoption. Lies lies and more lies.
Of course. But the death rate amongst illegitimate children, who overwhelmingly ended up in places like Tuam, was still three times higher than among legitimate ones.
(A Dr Rowlette, quoted in the Irish Press in 1936)
Yes...I have read that too.
It is despicable.
I'm also sure that there will be more bodies found at other locations in Ireland.
I've been reading about Bessborough and how the nuns are now denying that babies were taken without the mother's consent and put up for adoption. Lies lies and more lies.
bubblesmcgrath
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I'm so sickened by all of this. It is a dreadful indictment of our state.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
concentration camps from their inception were given minimal levels of sanitation and medical care, leading to preventable deaths via typhus, dysentery and malnutrition. I don't mean nazi death camps, that is different. Things like american civil war camps, boer war camps, long fucking kesh. The easiest way to remove someones humanity is put them behind wire and starve them- when you are starving you are too weak to protest and the world narrows into hunger and survival. It's how they make animals of us. Given the chance.
Thats how they do it. Create the situation and take the losses as just natural die off. Difference is those things were back then. There's people alive today who did the 70's stuffing dead infants into a septic tank. There's people alive who should be called to account.
Thats how they do it. Create the situation and take the losses as just natural die off. Difference is those things were back then. There's people alive today who did the 70's stuffing dead infants into a septic tank. There's people alive who should be called to account.
sleaterkinney
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Why are you looking for excuses then?
sleaterkinney
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I did, was England responsible at all for these homes then, which operated until 1990?
bubblesmcgrath
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Was anyone saying that they were?
The article by Goretti Horgan is putting Irish social history in context.
sleaterkinney
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As long as it's not passing the buck. This was the fault of the Irish establishment and Irish society.Was anyone saying that they were?
The article by Goretti Horgan is putting Irish social history in context.
bubblesmcgrath
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No need for that explanation.
We are now an intelligent well educated society. ......
Fuckwit
sleaterkinney
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Yeah right. I am Irish btw.
bubblesmcgrath
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Ld222
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Are you being purposely flippant?
It's same doctrine of 'Governance'!! Tailored need to the needs of Elite, to the determent of the poor!!
Ld222
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A blueshirt, no doubt!?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You're doing the nationalism bit. Not the socialist bit. Nor the mixing bit,
Ld222
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How do you make that out?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
No. I'm deciding not to respond to that question. I recognise i posted, so you have every right to ask me - but last time i checked this thread wasn't about all this shit. It is now, i don't want to help that. So nope, fuck that.
bubblesmcgrath
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Ld222
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What, is it beyond you, to try comprehend the Social and Economic reasons to why this happened? Why this workhouse which I could nearly guarantee you has been in operation since before the famine and 'will have more mass graves in it, beyond the one with children', filled with people of all ages, just like every other workhouse in Ireland, ended up like this.
This is barely the tip of iceberg, every workhouse in every town in Ireland has stories like this to tell, if not even worse.
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Ireland/
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
it's been pushed everywhere from Broadsheet.ie to CNN. I'm healthy skeptical of the point of online petitions but have been impressed by Avaaz. The buzz it's generated, the way they've tailored the campaign page, to arranging the meeting with the minister using Irish based members of team. They've facilitated the petition without pushing it's agenda. Iguana can't make it, (our toddler is acting up), but a friend is arranging for two 7 year olds (who have had the issue explained to them and want to help) hand it to the minister.
weltweit
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Yes, I heard on the BBC an enquiry is to go ahead. Good.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
What, is it beyond you, to try comprehend the Social and Economic reasons to why this happened? Why this workhouse which I could nearly guarantee you has been in operation since before the famine and 'will have more mass graves in it, beyond the one with children', filled with people of all ages, just like every other workhouse in Ireland.
This is barely the tip of iceberg, every workhouse in every town in Ireland has stories like this to tell, if not even worse.
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Ireland/
those workhouses weren't in operation in the 1960s. The laundries were running up until the 1990s.
You're talking out of your fucking ass. The tuam house was well funded by the state, basic health care for the children was well within their needs.
These nuns denied their mothers pain medication during child birth because they deserved the pain. They dumped the children into a sewer rather than bury them. This demands a investigation.
And yes if any nun is living, if found culapble they don't deserve to spend their last years in some nice nursing home, but behind bars.
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Ld222
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The 'Workhouses' became, laundries, asylums, orphanages, hospitals etc, is it beyond you to even 'click the link'!!, which states the history of these places.
bubblesmcgrath
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I think the poster is just saying that the old workhouses went on to be used as orphanages, mother and baby homes and some as industrial schools?
Ok...under different management... but it's pretty clear the treatment of the poor people who ended up in these places was dreadful.....whether under the British government or Irish government the residents were abused by those in power.
That cant be ignored....
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
They weren't under Irish govt control, the nuns has these places run as private fiefs
bubblesmcgrath
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I think after the inquiry into church abuse that this inquiry will be extremely thorough....open and transparent.
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