Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 vanishes without trace
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Supine
Newt Member
Speculation can stop! What a load of bollox, has your insight to aviation not taught you about the Bermuda triangle?
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
"China has new satellite images of one or more floating objects that could be related to missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370, Malaysian Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said Saturday.
“The news that I just received is that the Chinese ambassador received satellite image of floating objects in the southern corridor and they will be sending ships to verify,” Hishammuddin told a news briefing in Kuala Lumpur.
It was not immediately clear how many possible objects had been spotted, but the minister said one was estimated at 22 meters by 30 meters (72 by 98 feet)."
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...ation-as-MH370-search-enters-third-week-.html
“The news that I just received is that the Chinese ambassador received satellite image of floating objects in the southern corridor and they will be sending ships to verify,” Hishammuddin told a news briefing in Kuala Lumpur.
It was not immediately clear how many possible objects had been spotted, but the minister said one was estimated at 22 meters by 30 meters (72 by 98 feet)."
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...ation-as-MH370-search-enters-third-week-.html
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
There's loads of stuff that large being found on Tomnod, but until expert eyes have analysed the images, hard to get excited (although I imagine the Chinese experts have analysed their images)
2hats
Dust.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
There was a dude on the news this morning saying it was "22 meters long and 30 meters wide".
Given that it's unidentified, doesn't that make it 30 meters long and 22 meters wide?
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I do love the way the Chinese always use that archaic font when displaying Western alphabets
It's the same one that turns up in product manuals, too.
2hats
Dust.
I'm not sure that is legitimate. It doesn't tie in with any audio I've heard.
2hats
Dust.
This is purported to be the final RMAF primary radar trace of the flight, west of Penang, which indicates it was travelling NW along N571 via VAMPI and MEKAR towards NILAM. Last paint being at 0222local between MEKAR and NILAM. (Apparently not VAMPI-GIVAL-IGREX as previously reported).
weltweit
Well-Known Member
I may be being dim, but that does not look like the same place the Australians are looking in?
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
I'm guessing that's the Pulau Perak area which they were searching around ages ago
It's not
2hats
Dust.
Indeed it isn't. It describes the route below from east to west. The purple line is VAMPI (to the east) - MEKAR (to the west). The primary trace is (approximately) the green dashed line and the red circle is the last known position on the filed flight plan.
farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
I think it took two years to find the Air France plane that crashed into the Atlantic. So a while yet I guess.
wiskey
Albatross Admirer
They can't do that, we've spent years telling ourselves the planet is getting smaller.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
They found bits of it within days though, twas the flight recorders that took ages to find.
maomao
普費斯
The search will obviously go on, the question is when does the media circus stop?
My own theory is the popularity of this story in the press has something to do with expenses paid trips to Malaysia and Australia. A phenomenon which first became very clear to me when Maddie McCann was abducted in sunny Portugal during a very wet May in the UK.
2hats
Dust.
A candidate for a jet contrail, consistent with the (above) final primary radar data, the position and timing of the Inmarsat (final) arc, the projected flight paths the NTSB have reconstructed and the expected fuel budget, is visible in a weather satellite image (left):
Actually what is visible (if it is a contrail) is the shadow of the contrail on a lower cloud deck, standing out in the early morning, low elevation sun. Note that there would be no other possible source of a contrail in this remote location at that time and the IR image (above right) tends to suggest that this is not a fine cirrus band.
The location of the 'contrail' would be as below (red circle) relative to the current search areas.
Actually what is visible (if it is a contrail) is the shadow of the contrail on a lower cloud deck, standing out in the early morning, low elevation sun. Note that there would be no other possible source of a contrail in this remote location at that time and the IR image (above right) tends to suggest that this is not a fine cirrus band.
The location of the 'contrail' would be as below (red circle) relative to the current search areas.
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
All these satellite images keep showing up. A piece of something floating in a lot of water. They estimate the size - maybe 70, 80 feet.
But even years ago, they had spy satellites that could read licence plates from space. Why not use those type of satellites here? Zoom right in on the ambiguous floating objects.
But even years ago, they had spy satellites that could read licence plates from space. Why not use those type of satellites here? Zoom right in on the ambiguous floating objects.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Says who JC?
Says Hollywood perhaps ..
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
There are, but they are owned by the military and they cost shit loads and the more you move them about the less time they stay operational.
So a few civilian passengers on a commercial plane? Not a hope in hell.
2hats
Dust.
The satellite imagery released so far is essentially earth resources remote sensing data (resolution a few metres, at best) or compromised by slant range.
If there are military grade data then we're not ever going to get to see it (well, maybe in X decades time cf Corona imagery were released some 30 years after the programme ended). Quite probably they would never even release it to elements of the SAR team (as metioned previously, tip offs via back channels could perhaps occur).
I'm wondering if the French imagery referred to today is perhaps from one of the Pleiades satellites. Those are military/civil, have a resolution down to 50-70cm or thereabouts, similar to GeoEye-1 and WorldView-2. Though once again achieving optimum resolution will depend on favourable target geometry (largely pot luck without planning prior to image acquisition, which will be the case here of course).
If there are military grade data then we're not ever going to get to see it (well, maybe in X decades time cf Corona imagery were released some 30 years after the programme ended). Quite probably they would never even release it to elements of the SAR team (as metioned previously, tip offs via back channels could perhaps occur).
I'm wondering if the French imagery referred to today is perhaps from one of the Pleiades satellites. Those are military/civil, have a resolution down to 50-70cm or thereabouts, similar to GeoEye-1 and WorldView-2. Though once again achieving optimum resolution will depend on favourable target geometry (largely pot luck without planning prior to image acquisition, which will be the case here of course).
wiskey
Albatross Admirer
Yes but if they train all the high power stuff on looking for bits of plane what's looking out for a sneaky missile attack?
Also I doubt any nation is mad keen on sharing the technology they have.
2hats
Dust.
SBIRS, BMEW is looking for missile attack. Electro-optical IMINT isn't.
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