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That is so fucking sad. Three people dead over some artwork that most people won't even notice. And I feel sorry for the drivers and those people who have to clear up these scenes. It must be unbelievably distressing,
Fortunately for the driver, he seems to have done it without realising if they have to check them out at the depot to see if there is any sign of the collision. I’ve often read of drivers who realise this is going to happen but can’t stop their train on time.
 
without being mawkish, families in the area may be having to deal with their son/ partner not returning home for work after a night out and seeing this on the news. awful to have to take on board
 
Just to interject, as teuchter says the bodies on the film clip are being removed from the SouthEastern Trains lines rather the Overground ones.

I reckon ricbake has given a horrifyingly plausible explanation, but in any case if there is forensic material to be recovered from trains there are also frequent freight services along there, so if nothing were found on a SouthEastern train they could be seeking evidence from a train by now in the north of England.

I find this particularly shocking as it must have happened only a few feet from where I live - and presumably people in the upper floor flats of the mansion blocks in Coldharbour Lane a few doors down can see all this.
 
Can confirm - all 3 were graffiti artists - two have been IDed but they don’t yet know the third guy.
Friends of a good friend of mine who is obviously beside himself distraught. They were only young, 20’ish. Can’t go into any more details. :(
 
No idea. But not funny if it is.
Certainly not the circumstances to make a joke. I looked up the twitter account and he appears to be someone pretending to be an old Mail reading former Army Captain brexiteer type.

Involving Katie Hopkins and Piers Morgan points to it being a wind up to me.
 
Can confirm - all 3 were graffiti artists - two have been IDed but they don’t yet know the third guy.
Friends of a good friend of mine who is obviously beside himself distraught. They were only young, 20’ish. Can’t go into any more details. :(

That's very sad. I'm sure you'll offer all the support, love and care that you can for your friend.
 
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Might influence others to think twice before tagging on train tracks? A bit of a shock tactic like when they repeatedly showed the body of the migrant toddler on the beach.
 
You don't seriously think that the people at sky who sent the helicopter were motivated by hoping to save other lives in the future do you? But having a look at press complaints rules it seems that might be what they'd say, that its in the public interest for 'public health or safety' reasons so overrules anyones right to privacy.
 
No, I imagine they did it because we're all, by and large, fascinated by death. I was trying to see the positives.
 
You don't seriously think that the people at sky who sent the helicopter were motivated by hoping to save other lives in the future do you? But having a look at press complaints rules it seems that might be what they'd say, that its in the public interest for 'public health or safety' reasons so overrules anyones right to privacy.

They'd no doubt argue that, but its hard to see how that argument to public safety would ever pass muster. For a start they almost certainly sold the footage to other news organizations.

RIP to the three dead men
 
Apparently one of them was only 19. Just a kid. Utterly pointless. I like the graffiti on and around the railway, but it has come at a high price.
 
The Transport Police put this out earlier:
18 Jun 2018 18:57
UPDATE : Three men died at Loughborough Junction - London
Officers are continuing to investigate the deaths of three men at Loughborough Junction this morning.
The three men have not yet been formally identified, but we now believe them to have been aged 19, 23 and 23. They were all from the London area.
Their families have been informed and are now being supported by specially trained officers.
Efforts are still under way to establish the circumstances of how the men came to be on the tracks this morning.
Anyone with information is asked to contact BTP by calling 0800 40 50 40 or texting 61016 with reference 93 of 18 June.
 
pk if that’s a photo of them are you sure it’s ok by all for you to be sharing it here? I don’t know how these things work.
Just :(.
 
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I see Camberwell Forum are asking people to reTweet their petition to re-open Camberwell Station
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Very interested to get an assessment from teuchter on this. Looks to me if they reopened Camberwell it would be an intermediate station between Elephant and Castle and Denmark Hill, generally speaking.

Not much use to most of us though. Surely the best option for everyone would be to re-introduce the Denmark Hill line platforms at Loughborough Junction.

Considering LJ was considered a major interchange in 1870, things have got to a pretty pass now. There seems to be de facto permanent staffing because the ticket barriers are inadequate and the steps too dangerous. LJ surely would be a candidate for a proper rebuild.
 
Selfishly, I'd sort of like it to stay closed because it means we speed from LJ to Elephant without interruption.

But it is quite a big gap without a station and I can see a good argument for re-opening it. As I understand it, it wouldn't be too challenging technically.

As I think has been discussed here before, the problems with opening the old platforms at LJ are (a) the curve is too steep for modern standards and (b) to extend the platforms to be long enough for modern trains would involve extending them out over the road bridge.
 
As I think has been discussed here before, the problems with opening the old platforms at LJ are (a) the curve is too steep for modern standards and (b) to extend the platforms to be long enough for modern trains would involve extending them out over the road bridge.
I was thinking of this when I changed onto the DLR from the Central Iine on Sunday.
The gap between the doors and the platform at Bank (Central Line) is huge - enough to get an undertaker and the coffin down, never mind twisting your ankle. I look forward to the post-Brexit re-opening of the Denmark Hill bound platforms at LJ - extended onto the bridge, since Elf and Safety presumably comes under a Brussels Quango! (Just kidding)
 
Selfishly, I'd sort of like it to stay closed because it means we speed from LJ to Elephant without interruption.

But it is quite a big gap without a station and I can see a good argument for re-opening it. As I understand it, it wouldn't be too challenging technically.

As I think has been discussed here before, the problems with opening the old platforms at LJ are (a) the curve is too steep for modern standards and (b) to extend the platforms to be long enough for modern trains would involve extending them out over the road bridge.

The Thameslink journey between Elephant and Castle is very quick. Time machine like. The trains seem to get well above the speed at any other point on my journey between Tulse Hill and City Thameslink.
 
Piece in the BBC about the graffiti artists who died:

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Trip, Kbag and Lover - real names Alberto Carrasco, 19, and 23-year-olds Jack Gilbert and Harrison Scott-Hood - had planned to spray their tags and go home.

Mr Carrasco had contacted his parents Isabel and Carlos at 22:00 BST on Sunday to say he would be back in time for dinner.

At 07:34 the following morning, three bodies were spotted on the tracks and police had to tell three families their boys would never come home again.

Because as Supt Matt Allingham from British Transport Police said, "There isn't a safe refuge up there. If they've been caught in that section of track when a train came through then they really wouldn't have had much option."

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I'm not so bothered about walls, buy I wish graf artists wouldn't draw on the side of trains and completely cover up windows.



Railway graffiti: Props, respect and death
 
The trouble with reopening Camberwell is that the trains are already arse-to-crotch full at LJ. To get more trains on that line, they'd have to terminate lots of them at Blackfriars. Residents on the line have strongly campaigned to retain fewer through services rather than more frequent terminators, so here we are.
 
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