Loughborough Junction chitter-chatter
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LadyV
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Very good idea. Tbh even something printed on the road would probably be pretty effective or near my parents they changed the road surface to distinguish between normal road and pedestrian, there's lots of things they could do, they need to do something, cameras will only stop those who use the route regularly
Smee333
New Member
I've been thinking about this today (more than Lambeth council have I reckon). What about closing one side with physical barriers and the leaving the other side open with clear signs saying its closed. That way buses and emergency vehicles are able to get through. Issue at the moment is that more cars literally don't realise, and when they do they've committed to using that road so aren't exactly going to turn around to set a good example!
They also need advance warning signs at the top of Loughborough Road and at either end of Coldharbour Lane.
I just don't think Lambeth care though so doubt we'll get any of this.
They also need advance warning signs at the top of Loughborough Road and at either end of Coldharbour Lane.
I just don't think Lambeth care though so doubt we'll get any of this.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Yes, something like that is what I'd assumed they would be putting in.
Walking along Loughborough Rd yesterday evening it was as busy as ever. In the time it took me to walk along the short sretch that's supposed to be closed I counted ten cars passing me. And when the lights turn red at the main junction the queue of cars pretty much extends all the way back to the signs announcing the closed section.
At the weekend I made a brief stop at the Cider Bar thing (luckily they are not complete cider fascists so it was possible to get a proper drink ie. a beer instead). It was quite nice sitting on the wall by the green bit with people knocking about, especially as it was a sunday and the traffic was fairly quiet. To me it's not at all difficult to see that that space has potential for better use as a public space, and removing the traffic would make it massively more attractive.
Meanwhile, the giant pot plants in Padfield Rd seem to be working now (I think the positions have been adjusted so it's not so easy to drive round on the pavement). It is nice to be able to walk through there without being on edge about cars speeding round the corner. I've noticed quite a few cyclists making use of it too.
Walking along Loughborough Rd yesterday evening it was as busy as ever. In the time it took me to walk along the short sretch that's supposed to be closed I counted ten cars passing me. And when the lights turn red at the main junction the queue of cars pretty much extends all the way back to the signs announcing the closed section.
At the weekend I made a brief stop at the Cider Bar thing (luckily they are not complete cider fascists so it was possible to get a proper drink ie. a beer instead). It was quite nice sitting on the wall by the green bit with people knocking about, especially as it was a sunday and the traffic was fairly quiet. To me it's not at all difficult to see that that space has potential for better use as a public space, and removing the traffic would make it massively more attractive.
Meanwhile, the giant pot plants in Padfield Rd seem to be working now (I think the positions have been adjusted so it's not so easy to drive round on the pavement). It is nice to be able to walk through there without being on edge about cars speeding round the corner. I've noticed quite a few cyclists making use of it too.
xsunnysuex
Life is a horizontal fall.
Went for a walk just now and saw these. They were painting "NO THROUGH ROAD" I'm not a driver. Will drivers even see this as they drive towards it? And will they comply if they do. That remains to be seen.
LadyV
Well-Known Member
Went for a walk just now and saw these. They were painting "NO THROUGH ROAD" I'm not a driver. Will drivers even see this as they drive towards it? And will they comply if they do. That remains to be seen.
They might take a bit more notice, it's an improvement!
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Went for a walk just now and saw these. They were painting "NO THROUGH ROAD" I'm not a driver. Will drivers even see this as they drive towards it? And will they comply if they do. That remains to be seen.
Saw this this evening. Also a sign saying CCTV is in operation.
But a lot of traffic still does go through the signs.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
When I came past about 10.30 there seemed to be more traffic going south from Loughborough Road (not allowed) than east-west & vice versa along Coldharbour Lane (now the only legal main route).
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Like the saxophone J letters.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
The next meeting of the LJ Neighbourhood Planning Forum may be of interest:
Your are cordially invited to the next meeting of the LJ Neighbourhood Planning Forum which will take place on Wednesday 16 September at 6.30pm at the Woolley House Undercroft meeting room. (The room is on the ground floor of Woollley House on Loughborough Road; the entrance is through the grey door to the right of the main entrance under the Woolley House sign)
We will be discussing:
1. The Masterplan for Loughborough Junction
2. The road closures
3. Plans for the future of the Loughborough Farm
4. The businesses in the railway arches
( the Forum is basically LJAG and Council along with odd bods like me who turn up)
Your are cordially invited to the next meeting of the LJ Neighbourhood Planning Forum which will take place on Wednesday 16 September at 6.30pm at the Woolley House Undercroft meeting room. (The room is on the ground floor of Woollley House on Loughborough Road; the entrance is through the grey door to the right of the main entrance under the Woolley House sign)
We will be discussing:
1. The Masterplan for Loughborough Junction
2. The road closures
3. Plans for the future of the Loughborough Farm
4. The businesses in the railway arches
( the Forum is basically LJAG and Council along with odd bods like me who turn up)
prunus
Tick tock.
prunus
Tick tock.
All completely being ignored yesterday afternoon, including a police car, which made me chuckle (albeit they are probably allowed anyway, even if not on a call?).
editor
hiraethified
I noticed that it had been stripped out last week. A sad sight.
goldengraham
Well-Known Member
I had some work done recently on my car at Andrews garage on Padfield Road, opposite the Higgs site. Apparently they own their main workshop so are not planning to leave although they've had a few offers for it. But they reckon the other auto businesses in the railway arches will soon be under pressure from Network Rail to move out.
(They're a great garage by the way – friendly and honest, I highly recommend them)
(They're a great garage by the way – friendly and honest, I highly recommend them)
bimble
floofy
AMATEUR SURVEY about the road closures..
Please click on it if you have a moment:
Loughborough Junction Experimental Road Closures Survey
You can see the results so far here:
Loughborough Junction Experimental Road Closures
Please click on it if you have a moment:
Loughborough Junction Experimental Road Closures Survey
You can see the results so far here:
Loughborough Junction Experimental Road Closures
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TBF, if you mean 'an ambulance can't squeeze through there', those red and white blocks are hollow plastic, and easily moved by one person with one hand. It'll mean a delay of anything up to a minute, but doesn't constitute a permanent blockage.
In fact every time I've gone past them so far, they've been shifted over to be able to drive through. I'm undecided but I'd like to see the experiment working to know if the effect is positive or negative. If there's a shortcoming to these barriers, it's (arguably) that they are too easily moved rather than too solid a blockage.
In fact every time I've gone past them so far, they've been shifted over to be able to drive through. I'm undecided but I'd like to see the experiment working to know if the effect is positive or negative. If there's a shortcoming to these barriers, it's (arguably) that they are too easily moved rather than too solid a blockage.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Also worth pointing out that the barriers wouldn't need to be there at all if drivers actually observed the highway code and didn't ignore road signs.
But we have a system where those with the privelege of owning their own motorised transport feel entitled to drive where they like (whilst complaining about the cyclo-nazis never obeying red lights etc).
But we have a system where those with the privelege of owning their own motorised transport feel entitled to drive where they like (whilst complaining about the cyclo-nazis never obeying red lights etc).
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Did post this up on the LJ traffic improvements thread but should have put it up here. The two threads are getting a bit muddled up.
Its report of LJ Neighbourhood Planning Forum agenda item last Wednesday on the future of the Farm on Loughborough road.
The Future of Loughborough Farm.
It appears that there is a pot of money available which Lambeth can bid for- Lambeth bid for regeneration fund from GLA- as it was put on the agenda.
For unknown reason Lambeth did not know about this fund. Then realised it could apply to LJ. Leaving only a few weeks to put in bid.
So from what I gathered at the meeting officers approached LJAG about putting a bid in for the land around the Farm.
As CH1 has posted previously LJ was categorised for light industrial back in early 80s. Something the leading lights in LJAH at the meeting did not understand. In planning jargon "KIBA"
As Council came late to this there is only a few weeks to put in a bid to GLA. The actual idea imo does not sound to bad.
To keep the farm and also keep the light industrial use in that area for local employment the fund could be good way to keep this under local control.
First problem. There was discussion in the meeting about the Farm. The guy from LEMB ( Loughborough Estate Management Board) said that the land the farm is on comes under LEMB. That LEMB had let LJAG use it for the farm. He was now upset the LJAG regarded it as there land. He questioned how many from the estate used it. That people on the estate wanted a gym on it instead. LJAG replied that this was incorrect and that some from estate used the Farm.
So its was the issue around class again coming up in the meeting.
Thinking on this today also remembered that the guy from LEMB also brought up issue of land in estate area that Lambeth had transferred out of the estate. ( The land thats being built on now). So imo the farm is seen as part of loss of control of land by a working class community in that area. If I was on that estate I would be looking at what is happening to Cressingham for example and not trust the Council to defend Council housing.
The bid for this regeneration fund needs to be in by 2nd October. So there is not time for proper consultation.
It appears to me that Lambeth are looking to LJAG as the body they can work with. Forgetting the Council tenants. At one point in the meeting the officer said that the Council have not the budget for proper consultation. So were relying on voluntary groups like LJAG to do this.
This is dangerous position for LJAG. They asked me after meeting how to build links with the estate. I said there is a danger they will become part of Council. The role Brixton Green are quite happy with.
Whilst I like my Ward Cllr who turned up to meeting I am a bit concerned that LJAG could be used by our Nu Labour Cllrs as fall guys. As ViolentPanda pointed out on other thread about Brixton Green and Somerleyton road. The same Cllrs who are colluding with Government cuts and support Blairite for party leader, can give themselves local credibility with the working class Council tenants by siding with them against a "middle class" lobby group. An hypothesis worth pondering on.
The politics of LJ are rather fascinating.
Anyway. The guy from the Farm who is on voluntary basis looking at the bid , and he seemed a young well meaning person, wanted to get a framework bid in and appeared to me to genuinely want to talk to Loughborough Estate residents. Saw him talking to the guy from LEMB after meeting ended.
He did say he would be in LJ over weekend as the "Platform" is open selling the farm produce etc. So if anyone wants to go and see what its about I would recommend this.
The idea of the bid is that as the area is classified as light industrial the bid will be about local employment- workshops etc.
The Council officer said in reply to concerns from Loughborough estate residents that this might be another way that LJAG gain control over land that a management board would be set up to oversee the project of all local groups. .
I dd say, as someone from estate had already brought up issue of Pop, that in Brixton the Pop project had started with a lot of promises then ended up as Pop. Not what many thought they had agreed to.
Cllr Heywood agreed that lessons needed to be learnt from what had happened to that use of land. Got the feeling the Cllr Hopkins enthusiasm for Pop on his blog is not felt by some other local Labour Cllrs.
Its was about the only thing that Loughborough Estate residents and LJAG agreed on- we dont want "Pop" in LJ. Rather refreshing for me to hear others do not think Pop is wonderful.
Another estate resident said that as the bid had to be put in so quickly there was not enough time to do proper consultation. So it should be dropped.
I agreed with this. Considering the disagreements going on now a bid without proper consultation may make divisions and resentments in the area worse.
I do think that the proposal could be a good thing for LJ if it could be done in way that does not cause more divisions and ends up living to its promise of locally controlled social enterprise type project.
Its report of LJ Neighbourhood Planning Forum agenda item last Wednesday on the future of the Farm on Loughborough road.
The Future of Loughborough Farm.
It appears that there is a pot of money available which Lambeth can bid for- Lambeth bid for regeneration fund from GLA- as it was put on the agenda.
For unknown reason Lambeth did not know about this fund. Then realised it could apply to LJ. Leaving only a few weeks to put in bid.
So from what I gathered at the meeting officers approached LJAG about putting a bid in for the land around the Farm.
As CH1 has posted previously LJ was categorised for light industrial back in early 80s. Something the leading lights in LJAH at the meeting did not understand. In planning jargon "KIBA"
As Council came late to this there is only a few weeks to put in a bid to GLA. The actual idea imo does not sound to bad.
To keep the farm and also keep the light industrial use in that area for local employment the fund could be good way to keep this under local control.
First problem. There was discussion in the meeting about the Farm. The guy from LEMB ( Loughborough Estate Management Board) said that the land the farm is on comes under LEMB. That LEMB had let LJAG use it for the farm. He was now upset the LJAG regarded it as there land. He questioned how many from the estate used it. That people on the estate wanted a gym on it instead. LJAG replied that this was incorrect and that some from estate used the Farm.
So its was the issue around class again coming up in the meeting.
Thinking on this today also remembered that the guy from LEMB also brought up issue of land in estate area that Lambeth had transferred out of the estate. ( The land thats being built on now). So imo the farm is seen as part of loss of control of land by a working class community in that area. If I was on that estate I would be looking at what is happening to Cressingham for example and not trust the Council to defend Council housing.
The bid for this regeneration fund needs to be in by 2nd October. So there is not time for proper consultation.
It appears to me that Lambeth are looking to LJAG as the body they can work with. Forgetting the Council tenants. At one point in the meeting the officer said that the Council have not the budget for proper consultation. So were relying on voluntary groups like LJAG to do this.
This is dangerous position for LJAG. They asked me after meeting how to build links with the estate. I said there is a danger they will become part of Council. The role Brixton Green are quite happy with.
Whilst I like my Ward Cllr who turned up to meeting I am a bit concerned that LJAG could be used by our Nu Labour Cllrs as fall guys. As ViolentPanda pointed out on other thread about Brixton Green and Somerleyton road. The same Cllrs who are colluding with Government cuts and support Blairite for party leader, can give themselves local credibility with the working class Council tenants by siding with them against a "middle class" lobby group. An hypothesis worth pondering on.
The politics of LJ are rather fascinating.
Anyway. The guy from the Farm who is on voluntary basis looking at the bid , and he seemed a young well meaning person, wanted to get a framework bid in and appeared to me to genuinely want to talk to Loughborough Estate residents. Saw him talking to the guy from LEMB after meeting ended.
He did say he would be in LJ over weekend as the "Platform" is open selling the farm produce etc. So if anyone wants to go and see what its about I would recommend this.
The idea of the bid is that as the area is classified as light industrial the bid will be about local employment- workshops etc.
The Council officer said in reply to concerns from Loughborough estate residents that this might be another way that LJAG gain control over land that a management board would be set up to oversee the project of all local groups. .
I dd say, as someone from estate had already brought up issue of Pop, that in Brixton the Pop project had started with a lot of promises then ended up as Pop. Not what many thought they had agreed to.
Cllr Heywood agreed that lessons needed to be learnt from what had happened to that use of land. Got the feeling the Cllr Hopkins enthusiasm for Pop on his blog is not felt by some other local Labour Cllrs.
Its was about the only thing that Loughborough Estate residents and LJAG agreed on- we dont want "Pop" in LJ. Rather refreshing for me to hear others do not think Pop is wonderful.
Another estate resident said that as the bid had to be put in so quickly there was not enough time to do proper consultation. So it should be dropped.
I agreed with this. Considering the disagreements going on now a bid without proper consultation may make divisions and resentments in the area worse.
I do think that the proposal could be a good thing for LJ if it could be done in way that does not cause more divisions and ends up living to its promise of locally controlled social enterprise type project.
cuppa tee
Well-Known Member
You could also look at Oval Quarter and Robsart Village.
davidaheath
Well-Known Member
I have two bags of clothes that I want to get rid of.
Is there somewhere local that will take them so that they can be used by other people?
I'm not sure what the correct thing to do is, charity places must get pretty mad at people just bringing along fat sacks of mangled clothes, do I need to fold them all up? They're clean but I haven't washed them recently, should I do that too? Feels like a shame to throw them away but at the same time I don't want to create loads of work for someone else.
EDIT: I found some advice about this here.
Looks like my nearest donation point is Dog Kennel Lane so I'll have to get an Uber or something and drop off the clothes there.
Is there somewhere local that will take them so that they can be used by other people?
I'm not sure what the correct thing to do is, charity places must get pretty mad at people just bringing along fat sacks of mangled clothes, do I need to fold them all up? They're clean but I haven't washed them recently, should I do that too? Feels like a shame to throw them away but at the same time I don't want to create loads of work for someone else.
EDIT: I found some advice about this here.
Looks like my nearest donation point is Dog Kennel Lane so I'll have to get an Uber or something and drop off the clothes there.
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mizfick
New Member
The road closures are ridiculous...amateur giant pot plants with no hi-visibility strips at night and no easy way from Coldharbour Lane to Brixton Rd, traffic jams up towards Brixton on Coldharbour Lane and general confusion. I will be submitting my thoughts to the proposed plan via Lambeth's site. One of the greatest things about Loughborough Junction was its transience in between two places and the idea to turn it into some kind of 'town square' is awful. I don't need sea containers or more places to eat (seriously the gluttony in London generally as a whole needs to change), just a place to live that's got a few surprises up its sleeve and some great businesses here anyway. I don't want to live in a square that's quiet with spooky dark roads and bloody hordes of young parents with kids in papooses - if I wanted that I can go to Stoke Newington or Northcote Rd. And I love traffic at night ...as a person who may be coming home at night. argh. All just a giant ruse to push property prices up further under the guise of community development shit.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
There is recycling container for clothes outside the Barrier Block. Its a near the Car Wash place. Painted white and black.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Saw "Edible Bust Stop" At Open House London. This is an arch near LJ they have refurbished using cheap or recycled materials. They are using it as there office.
Had a chat with them about the Pop situation and urged them to go public about what really happened.
They are really nice people and I was impressed by the skill and ingenuity they used to refurbish the arch. Such a pity that Grow Brixton didn’t happen to be replaced by the loathsome Pop.
Had a chat with them about the Pop situation and urged them to go public about what really happened.
They are really nice people and I was impressed by the skill and ingenuity they used to refurbish the arch. Such a pity that Grow Brixton didn’t happen to be replaced by the loathsome Pop.
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