what a carry on at your convenienceYeah, I work alongside staff in Springfield Park who have many stories about the behaviour of (mostly entitled middle class) park users around toilet facilities and other things.
I got the impression that most of them were local enough that they could walk home to use their own toilet, but insisted that all the normal facilities should be kept open for their convenience.
you are just the sort of person this nefandous government would consultYou seem to overestimate my role in determining central government policy.
I'll set them up...what a carry on at your convenience
only for workI think you're local to me.
they haveI've noticed that they have improved the play areas in Springfield Park.
where I am tearing down the fencing round the exercise equipment has become a favourite local pastime.bypassing the fencing & playing on the new play things .
I'd like to point out here that I haven't had a shit in any of the parks & marshes in our area, I have always gone home to do it .Yeah, I work alongside staff in Springfield Park who have many stories about the behaviour of (mostly entitled middle class) park users around toilet facilities and other things.
I got the impression that most of them were local enough that they could walk home to use their own toilet, but insisted that all the normal facilities should be kept open for their convenience.
ETA although most shutters were local, I'm not saying most locals were shitters
Being outdoors even in busy parks is very low risk. I'd not worry about a packed park.
People need to de-tune the '<insert outdoor space> IS PACKED!' It's not going to cause much if any covid or any respiratory illness if they got there not using public transport.
Being Indoor with other people for a while is the main driver of infection.
This stuff is difficult isn't it and only going to get worse I think. It seems pretty clear that very soon we're going to have a period where a lot more is permitted and yet the virus will still be in circulation to some degree at least. Hopefully it settles down but in the short term at least it's going to be very hard for people whose idea of 'feeling safe' is the strictest.
I think you're missing the point here.
Of all the measures we can take to stop the virus spreading, giving each other space is the most important. After a year that should be drilled into everyone (I know it isn't but still) and we need to be thinking space all the time not just in or at certain venues. Its a mindset.
When an outdoors place is so busy you are unable to have and give space then we should absolutely see that as a problem. If not why have sports stadiums been empty for 12 months?
Clearly the risk is greatly reduced by being outside but everyone already know that. This is about creating an environment that is safe and people feel safe in and round my way it hasn't been that at all. Not that much can be done about it because people need to get out.
teuchter said:But maybe Epping Forest is run by dogmatic absolutists like me.
fortunately it's not and is run by people who know their business.
Unless it's so packed you're physically on top of each other, most people's personal space is about the 2m mark (unless you live in India where its a more troubling 6 inches). Its something we do without thinking.
Its blatantly not. You're welcome to come down to our riverside and try for yourself. How can you do 2m gaps on paths and pavements anyway? How many people walking in groups walk in single file?
I agree with you about outdoors being safer but I don't think you have a handle at all on what is going on out there in the crowded parts of London's green spaces. As I say though I still think you're missing the larger point.
There are many adults, who for many reasons rushing home is not an option; pregnant women, the disabled, the elderly, people with prostate or other health issues.the bushes around the playground at my local park are like a victorian sewage system since they shut the loos. All well and good to expect the adults to rush home, but for kids it's often more urgent and less predictable.
the smaller households will find that less unpleasantPlease use the toilets one household at a time View attachment 258289
It was cold today so maybe that's the reason.The south bank has been consistently pretty busy on weekends and/or nice weather days since the beginning of the year. Often it has felt just as busy as 'normal' times.
You are very lucky to have your own marshes to shit in Marty!I'd like to point out here that I haven't had a shit in any of the parks & marshes in our area, I have always gone home to do it .
I feel blessed HarryYou are very lucky to have your own marshes to shit in Marty!
I feel blessed Harry
Saw that ! The swimming bit was pretty rammed in the summer, wouldn't get in there myself , can't be the cleanest of water with all the stuff up-riverSummer in a pandemic: How Londoners were drawn to a river
When Sophia Evans visited the River Lea near Hackney Marshes she was astonished by the scenes of blissful enjoyment she saw there – a world away from the horrors of the newswww.theguardian.com