London Student protests - Wed 8th Dec+ Thurs 9th

[revol68]

Ban the pig.

this

 

[dylans]

and complying with the pigs gets you where exactly?

how many dead in Iraq and Afghanistan because people complied with the law?

The 2003 march against the Iraq war was the biggest demonstration in British history. It was utterly totally and completely futile. A total waste of time and energy. Tony Blair ignored it and contemptuously referred to it as the "march of the luvvies." That lesson has been learned. If we want to win we have to break the law. .

 

[audiotech]

In terms of informed comment, it has been done routinely since at least the early 90s, when police photographers began to be deployed as part of public order operations and photographs became a practical option (taking names had been done previously but was not really particularly effective for obvious reasons ...). It became even more commonplace as digital cameras made it practically more do-able (and affordable).

I'm back.

*Get down Shep.*

That post of yours addresses very little of what was posted:

Thousands of people being 'corralled' by the police, not being able to leave, having to stand in a line for hours and having their faces photographed is.

So, thousands (crucial word here) being 'corralled' (another), standing in line for hours (more crucial words), not being let out (yet more) and then being photographed? Happened before?

To add: All at the same time?

Take as much time as you want now.

 

[gunneradt]

That's not my job or my interest, but why are you posting up such ignorant rubbish?

If you went to a football match and threw objects at fellow supporters you'd be rightly arrested and charged (if caught). The fact that this was a demonstration is irrelevant. It does not give you the right to break the law. Quite frankly any parent that lets their children attend these demonstrations should be ashamed of themselves - and they certainly don't have the right to complain about aggressive behaviour by the police.

 

[gunneradt]

The 2003 march against the Iraq war was the biggest demonstration in British history. It was utterly totally and completely futile. A total waste of time and energy. Tony Blair ignored it and contemptuously referred to it as the "march of the luvvies." That lesson has been learned. If we want to win we have to break the law. .

then expect to get hurt and/or arrested. Hopefully a few will get banged up over Christmas for their efforts.

 

[Brainaddict]

If you went to a football match and threw objects at fellow supporters you'd be rightly arrested and charged (if caught). The fact that this was a demonstration is irrelevant. It does not give you the right to break the law. Quite frankly any parent that lets their children attend these demonstrations should be ashamed of themselves - and they certainly don't have the right to complain about aggressive behaviour by the police.

then expect to get hurt and/or arrested. Hopefully a few will get banged up over Christmas for their efforts.

People are learning to expect to get hurt, it is true, whether they engage in violence themselves or not. There was a lot of collective punishment on Thursday.

In general you are demonstrating a serious failure of imagination. You are unable to imagine that people might have perfectly sane, reasonable motives for wanting to batter down the door of the treasury with a fence panel.

 

[Barking_Mad]

If you went to a football match and threw objects at fellow supporters you'd be rightly arrested and charged (if caught). The fact that this was a demonstration is irrelevant. It does not give you the right to break the law. Quite frankly any parent that lets their children attend these demonstrations should be ashamed of themselves - and they certainly don't have the right to complain about aggressive behaviour by the police.

You're quite the little authoritarian, aren't you?

 

[audiotech]

The 2003 march against the Iraq war was the biggest demonstration in British history. It was utterly totally and completely futile. A total waste of time and energy. Tony Blair ignored it and contemptuously referred to it as the "march of the luvvies." That lesson has been learned. If we want to win we have to break the law. .

Ooo, I don't know? Who was it now who said the size of the march was "intimidating"? I've no idea what those who marched at the time are doing politically and thinking politically now?

 

[sherpa]

The facts as determined by some form on investigation or enquiry. Or reported by an independent observer such as a reliable reporter.

So there has to be an inquiry or investigation, before facts become facts? You don't know what you're talking about, do you?

And who decides who is independent? The police are quite happy to arrest legal observers on demos, so who provides the impartiality? You lot? Don't make me laugh.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Quite frankly any parent that lets their children attend these demonstrations should be ashamed of themselves - and they certainly don't have the right to complain about aggressive behaviour by the police.

You want to say that again in front of young Alfie's mum?

You utter fucking cunt.

 

[Streathamite]

i.e. it started when the protestors decided to use violence to resist a lawful police use of force.

That wasn't what happened. The police used massive force to deny people their rights of assembly, protest and picket, well before any response from us on the picket line

 

[sherpa]

Now where should I start with my list of things for you and others to stop calling the police generally and me personally ...

And this sums you up - you're a police officer, maybe not a serving one, but it's written in your bone marrow, like words through a stick of rock. Once filth, always filth.

 

[Streathamite]

Quite frankly any parent that lets their children attend these demonstrations should be ashamed of themselves - and they certainly don't have the right to complain about aggressive behaviour by the police.

what utter, total garbage. They are letting their children go on peaceful protests - which they were for the vast majority of people there - on issues which affect their fundamental interests. The single biggest cause of trouble was police actions.
We have such a thing as the right to protest here in the UK, and it shouldn't be accompanied by 'a police right to wildly overdo it'.
It's what's called 'democracy', you know.

 

[gunneradt]

You want to say that again in front of young Alfie's mum?

You utter fucking cunt.

Demonstrations are not for children. Now that this has regrettably happened you'd have to be a god awful parent to permit your child to attend.

 

[Barking_Mad]

If you went to a football match and threw objects at fellow supporters you'd be rightly arrested and charged (if caught). The fact that this was a demonstration is irrelevant. It does not give you the right to break the law. Quite frankly any parent that lets their children attend these demonstrations should be ashamed of themselves - and they certainly don't have the right to complain about aggressive behaviour by the police.

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible violent revolution inevitable. If you fail to see any point when violence is unacceptable, you're a slave. Period.

edit: sorry, typos, was changing a nappy with one hand typing with the other

 

[gunneradt]

what utter, total garbage. They are letting their children go on peaceful protests - which they were for the vast majority of people there - on issues which affect their fundamental interests. The single biggest cause of trouble was police actions.

While many are protesting peacefully - we have adults on here advocating breaking the law quite openly. Children are getting to get swept along with it quite obviously.

Throwing anything at anyone is an offence

More will get hurt.

 

[sherpa]

Demonstrations are not for children. Now that this has regrettably happened you'd have to be a god awful parent to permit your child to attend.

So, those who don't have a voice through the legislated medium of voting, should remain silent because you say so.

Fuck off.

 

[Blagsta]

Demonstrations are not for children. Now that this has regrettably happened you'd have to be a god awful parent to permit your child to attend.

I'd love to meet you IRL, see how much of a cock you really are.

 

[ymu]

You have to be a godawful parent not to support these protests. Alfie's mum was on it herself, anyway.

@parentsprotest on Twitter are doing some nice work.

 

[belboid]

Demonstrations are not for children.

really? never? not even when it is about something that affects them massively? that doesn't seem very democratic

 

[little_legs]

 

[gunneradt]

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible violent revolution inevitable. If fail to see any point when violence is acceptable, you're a slave. Period.

That's fine - then don't complain when people get hurt

 

[sherpa]

That's fine - then don't complain when people get hurt

Simpleton.

 

[ViolentPanda]

orgreave, wapping, the beanfield, poll tax. db is just a fucking liar.

The old bill may well be told to not go for the head, but in just about any instance where there's a chance they might take a lump, they do.

 

[gunneradt]

Simpleton.

well no doubt you'll all be here complaining after the next demonstration when someone else has been hurt.

 

[ernestolynch]

Don't forget the Countryside Alliance cracked skulls...

 

[ViolentPanda]

Have you got any examples of this psychological 'reluctance' in a soldier? How do you know what's going on in the mind of anyone, let alone a soldier in battle?

The whole point of intensive military training is taking away that doubt - any soldier who shows reluctance will not a soldier make.

You sometimes get it in conscript armies - mainly because they're not indoctrinated to the same degree, the main aim being to turn out bodies that can fire a rifle reasonably accurately, but in a modern military, it's massively less likely, especially given the input from psychologists into training over the last 40 years.

 

[Streathamite]

Demonstrations are not for children. Now that this has regrettably happened you'd have to be a god awful parent to permit your child to attend.

what absolute bollocks! demonstrations are a crucial part of democracy, and we ALL have a vested interest in the youth becoming politically active and involved, as early as possible. Especially on issues which affect them.

 

[sherpa]

well no doubt you'll all be here complaining after the next demonstration when someone else has been hurt.

My name is legion; for we are many.

Twat.

 

[gunneradt]

what absolute bollocks! demonstrations are a crucial part of democracy, and we ALL have a vested interest in the youth becoming politically active and involved, as early as possible. Especially on issues which affect them.

Are they? And do we? Some of us get on with life and try to earn a living without whinging about everything.