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London student 'struck by truncheon' has brain injury


A student suffered bleeding to the brain when he was struck by a police truncheon during the tuition fees protest, his mother has alleged.

Alfie Meadows, 20, of Middlesex University, was hit on the head as he tried to leave Westminster Abbey area, his mother Susan Meadows said.

Alfie underwent a three-hour operation and was recovering in hospital.

A Met Police spokesman said: "We are aware of a 20-year-old male with a head injury who is currently in hospital."
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11967098
 
moon23 said:
What I saw yesterday, was not a mass uprising of students, but a load of peaceful protestors having their event hijacked by the far-left for whom fees are simply a pretext for the type of mass riotting and revolution they have been trying to provoke for years.
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Perhaps you should got off your apologist arse and gone down to the protest and asked the protesters themselves rather than posting up your clueless opinions about what really went on?

I was there and chatted to loads of students - and their anger at your lying shitbag leader was very real.
 
moon23 said:
What I saw yesterday, was not a mass uprising of students, but a load of peaceful protestors having their event hijacked by the far-left for whom fees are simply a pretext for the type of mass riotting and revolution they have been trying to provoke for years.
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You're in the same denial as two of my Lib Dem activist friends.

The anger is very much directed towards Clegg and the Lib Dems, especially as you courted a reasonable student vote in the general election.
 
butchersapron said:
No. what you saw was a loaf of pissed off kids acting in defence of their and societies interests. red-baiting, esp when the far-left were not in any way behind any trouble (i wish they were!) is tragic. It's slipped. You're gone.
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The far-left flags were everywhere BA, they clearly started the violence.

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editor said:
Perhaps you should got off your apologist arse and gone down to the protest and asked the protesters themselves rather than posting up your clueless opinions about what really went on?

I was there and chatted to loads of students - and their anger at your lying shitbag leader was very real.
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Of course it's real anger they have been fed a narrative that it's all the Lib Dem's fault. It's bollocks.
 
dennisr said:
What are you talking about you riot porn wank over. Stop trying to fit your readymade theories to something that happened 200 miles from were you were mr 'participator'. The event was the result of organising activities of lefts, activists and radicals. It didn't appear out of thin air.
Jezeus when are you ejets going to stop fantasising and start recognising what is actually happening on the ground
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Get a grip Dennis - you're contradicting yourself - you quote this favourably;

"Any idea that you are dealing with Lacan-reading hipsters from Spitalfields on this demo is mistaken. While a good half of the march was undergraduates from the most militant college occupations - UCL, SOAS, Leeds, Sussex - the really stunning phenomenon, politically, was the presence of youth: bainlieue-style youth from Croydon, Peckam, the council estates of Islington.

Having been very close to the front line of the fighting, on the protesters side, I would say that at its height - again - it broke the media stereotype of being organised by "political groups": there was an anarchist black bloc contingent, there were the socialist left groups - but above all, again, I would say the main offensive actions taken to break through police lines were done by small groups of young men who dressed a lot more like the older brothers of the dubsteppers. The fighting itself is still going on - I am seeing people break the windows of HM Revenue and Customs live on TV. At one point after 2pm there were just two lines of riot cops between the students and parliament and it was at this point, with nowhere to go, that people began to push forward and attack the police. Despite that, those involved were a minority and it was fairly "ritual" involving placard sticks and the remains of the metal fence around Parliament Square, until people realised there was nowhere to break through *to* and changed direction."
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/education...rotests-charles-camilla-attack-aftermath-live

12.10pm: Elizabeth Draper, an MA student at University College London, has written to say she was one of the protesters kettled in Parliament Square. She too was "disgusted" with the police's tactics. She writes:

Live blog: email

We were told at 8.30pm that the police would lead us across Westminster bridge and then let us leave, but we were actually held on the bridge until 11pm. I estimate that there were at least 2,000 of us. People were fainting from being so crushed, and from not having eaten since before we arrived at Parliament Square. We were told nothing about why we were being held there, and, as frustration understandably rose, people began to push forward. Were the police waiting for someone to be crushed, to break a limb, or to be pushed over the edge of the bridge by the force of people behind them?

I was quite close to the police line, and could not stop myself being pushed towards them. I saw people being hit and forcibly pushed back even though they were not the ones doing the pushing. Most of us were not trying to cause trouble, just get home, and the police tactics caused problems rather than solving them.

In the comments below (9.42am), raindance77 tells a similar story:

Violent thugs? I am a 21-year-old literature student and I am a protester. I danced to music on Parliament Square as people spray painted NO on the grass, I shouted 'tory **** tory ****' with pride, I got pushed to the police front line and charged by horses on two occasions (please see footage of charges on 24th and 9th). I am not ashamed.

If you want to look at thugs then look to to the police.

I am a girl of five foot two, I was pushed several times in the face, dragged on the floor and laughed at by police when I told them I had asthma. This is why people get angry, because people were being trapped and wanted to get out.

All afternoon we were told people were able to leave from various places but this was just not true.

I asked a policeman were I could go to the toilet; he pointed at the floor by his feet.

Another shouted: "Move, bitch, or I'll squash you with my horse."

Eventually, when the protests had died down and people were desperate to go home, a group of around 1,000 protesters were finally escorted to Westminster Bridge to exit; however this was a trick. What then happened was we were held on the bridge for hours in the freezing cold. The crowd remained calm, but after hours of freezing people began to chant "let us out" and then the crowd pushed forwards. Being small I was carried by the crowd and ended up by the police line. I was tired and cold and hadn't eaten for 12 hours or had any water.

I screamed at the police not to hurt me because I was being pushed but they still went for my face, almost pulling me to the floor. A man to my right put his arms over my face, screaming, "Leave her alone, she's a girl, she's not harming you," but the police began to hit him several times on the head.

When we were finally let off the bridge it was one at a time through huge crowds of jeering officers. We were told we were being photographed in case we had damaged royal car. But how this could have happened whilst we were kettled in parliament i don't know.

What I will say is that by this stage the anarchists had fought their way out, and just lots of women and children were left to freeze.
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moon23 said:
Of course it's real anger they have been fed a narrative that it's all the Lib Dem's fault. It's bollocks.
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apologist. No one needs toi be 'fed a narrative'. Your mates flat out lied and sold out to the tories, simple as that. Yellow water.
 
moon23 said:
The far-left flags were everywhere BA, they clearly started the violence.
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You really don't get it do you. You and your dead in the water party. Desperate for some phantom to blame.

You organised this violence moon. You clegg and all the other smug fuckers. You started it.
 
moon23 said:
The far-left flags were everywhere BA, they clearly started the violence.
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good god, even you cant be sad enough to believe what you just wrote. If you bothered listening to the students at all (which you wont of course), you'd know exactly who cause the violence.

You. You and Clegg and all scum like you who keep lying. Those students want you all strung up, and who can blame them?
 
Louis MacNeice said:
Neither the 80% cuts to the university teaching budget, nor the subsequent trebling of fees are necessary on the coalition’s own terms of deficit reduction.

The ‘country’ did not demand that the Liberal Democrats enabled a minority Conservative administration, let alone that they form a coalition with them; party political interests as identified by key figures in both partners were the drivers for this marriage of convenience.

In this context, faced with a government propelled by a toxic mixture of ideological commitment, naked careerism and tribal self interest, what are the students' alternatives?

They could listen to that doleful chorus, repeating ad-nauseum the tired old mantra that there is no alternative, then quietly turn their backs and return home to endure.

They could march respectfully from the Embankment to Trafalgar Square as millions have done before, and to the same effect.

They could lobby their disinterested, whip bound MP or hold a candle, hopelessly in the dark.

That many of them choose none of the above, preferring instead to show in turn bravery, imagination, determination and desire, is cause for celebration.

A heartfelt cheers - Louis MacNeice
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Great post. I'll add that to my photo piece, if you don't mind.
 
belboid said:
good god, even you cant be sad enough to believe what you just wrote. If you bothered listening to the students at all (which you wont of course), you'd know exactly who cause the violence.

You. You and Clegg and all scum like you who keep lying. Those students want you all strung up, and who can blame them?
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:D
 
Apparently, according to the Times the Coalition has a 'war chest of many billions' from the sale of the Student Loans Company book and other privatisations, the Fees/Cuts are ideological...
 
jer said:
:D
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I have a question for you mr Babylondon.

A slave owner keeps his slave in chains as he quietly picks cotton under the eyes of his whip holding overseers. He calls this state of affairs peace.

One day the slave uses violence to break his chains, after which he strings his former "master" up from a tree and burns down his house

Who started the violence?
 
Proper Tidy said:
Like a police force that is actually accountable to the public, that sort of vague thing?

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Would such a police force employ any police?

It's what the first A in ACAB stands for that makes it illogical to hold such a position and start talking about "accountable" policing.
 
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