London Student protests - Wed 8th Dec+ Thurs 9th

[Pickman's model]

I know what, let's go back to the situation pre-Peel ... no police, just vigilantes - that'd save money too.

you don't know what you're talking about. again.

 

[moon23]

cobbles said, "The Government (as duly elected) represent the MAJORITY of the British people."

People didnt elect a coalition or LibDems in ordee from them to regage on promises.

People never elect governments, they elect MPs which can then form governments. Most people elected to the house support tuition fees and would have voted to raise them. Face it more Tory MPs were elected, and Labour were only opposing them opportunistically.

 

[TopCat]

People never elect governments, they elect MPs which can then form governments. Most people elected to the house support tuition fees and would have voted to raise them. Face it more Tory MPs were elected, and Labour were only opposing them opportunistically.

Fuck off moon.

 

[Pickman's model]

People never elect governments, they elect MPs which can then form governments. Most people elected to the house support tuition fees and would have voted to raise them. Face it more Tory MPs were elected, and Labour were only opposing them opportunistically.

you're a tory now?

well i never

 

[scifisam]

I know what, let's go back to the situation pre-Peel ... no police, just vigilantes - that'd save money too.

Did you even read what I said. or did just see the word 'cop' and decide I must be ACAB?

 

[butchersapron]

People never elect governments, they elect MPs which can then form governments. Most people elected to the house support tuition fees and would have voted to raise them. Face it more Tory MPs were elected, and Labour were only opposing them opportunistically.

Genius A lib-dem attacking labour for opportunism. What the fuck do you think this thread is about?

 

[moon23]

What I saw yesterday, was not a mass uprising of students, but a load of peaceful protestors having their event hijacked by the far-left for whom fees are simply a pretext for the type of mass riotting and revolution they have been trying to provoke for years.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Or we could try to go forward to a situation where polcing is carried out by people who are recognised by, respected by and accountable to the public they serve; at present recognition, respect and accountability are not the key characteristics of the relationship between many many of those being policed and those doing the policing.

Louis MacNeice

Yes. On form today Louis!

Nothing wrong with having a police force, we just need one that is accountable to the people not to the political/state bureaucracy.

 

[scifisam]

People never elect governments, they elect MPs which can then form governments. Most people elected to the house support tuition fees and would have voted to raise them. Face it more Tory MPs were elected, and Labour were only opposing them opportunistically.

You're criticising the opposition party for opposing the governing party?

 

[moon23]

Genius A lib-dem attacking labour for opportunism. What the fuck do you think this thread is about?

Half the Lib Dems were trying to work with the Tories to make the proposals fairer which they are. Now no poor graduate is going to have to pay back anything unless they are in a position to do so. The other half rebelled as they still thought things didn't go far enough.

 

[TopCat]

 

[fractionMan]

What I saw yesterday, was not a mass uprising of students, but a load of peaceful protestors having their event hijacked by the far-left for whom fees are simply a pretext for the type of mass riotting and revolution they have been trying to provoke for years.

are you on drugs?

 

[butchersapron]

No. what you saw was a loaf of pissed off kids acting in defence of their and societies interests. red-baiting, esp when the far-left were not in any way behind any trouble (i wish they were!) is tragic. It's slipped. You're gone.

 

[frogwoman]

Jesus - do you mind if i repost this on fb riklet?

 

[past caring]

People never elect governments, they elect MPs which can then form governments. Most people elected to the house support tuition fees and would have voted to raise them. Face it more Tory MPs were elected, and Labour were only opposing them opportunistically.

Deluded. Whilst there may be a minority of MPs elected on the basis of their constituency work, the vast majority are elected on the basis of what government the voter is voting for. People do elect governments.

And yeah, fuck off moonie.

 

[Crispy]

What I saw yesterday......

With your eyes, or filtered through the media and your own preconceptions?

 

[moon23]

You're criticising the opposition party for opposing the governing party?

Saying they would have implemented the Browne review they commissioned if they had been in power. That's the problem too many Labour and Tory MPs were elected, both of whom would have supported fees if in power.

 

[TopCat]

 

[butchersapron]

Half the Lib Dems were trying to work with the Tories to make the proposals fairer which they are. Now no poor graduate is going to have to pay back anything unless they are in a position to do so. The other half rebelled as they still thought things didn't go far enough.

are you on drugs?

Working with the toies to make something that you didn't have to support at all fairer. You're hopeless

 

[Treacle Toes]

Protector of the sad State of affairs with proverbial egg on face...

 

[TopCat]

Saying they would have implemented the Browne review they commissioned if they had been in power. That's the problem too many Labour and Tory MPs were elected, both of whom would have supported fees if in power.

Fuck off moon.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

People never elect governments, they elect MPs which can then form governments. Most people elected to the house support tuition fees and would have voted to raise them. Face it more Tory MPs were elected, and Labour were only opposing them opportunistically.

If suffiicient Lib Dems hadn't supported the Tories then the fees wouldn't have been raised; that is the legacy of dishonesty and party self-interest which lays about your opportunist crew like Marley's chains.

Louis MacNeice

 

[DotCommunist]

I hope the 8 abstaining bollockless mps feel suitably shit.

 

[dennisr]

What I saw yesterday, was not a mass uprising of students, but a load of peaceful protestors having their event hijacked by the far-left for whom fees are simply a pretext for the type of mass riotting and revolution they have been trying to provoke for years.

red baiting - thats desperate even for you

 

[TopCat]

Saying they would have implemented the Browne review they commissioned if they had been in power. That's the problem too many Labour and Tory MPs were elected, both of whom would have supported fees if in power.

Fuck off moon.

 

[girasol]

video report from the guardian from students POV - some impressive frontline footage in there.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/video/2010/dec/10/student-fees-protest-london-video

That's good, everyone should watch that! I'm sharing it

 

[Louis MacNeice]

People never elect governments, they elect MPs which can then form governments. Most people elected to the house support tuition fees and would have voted to raise them. Face it more Tory MPs were elected, and Labour were only opposing them opportunistically.

If suffiicient Lib Dems hadn't supported the Tories then the fees wouldn't have been raised; that is the legacy of dishonesty and party self-interest which lays about your opportunist crew like Marley's chains.

Louis MacNeice

 

[Treacle Toes]

Protector of the sad State of affairs with proverbial egg on face...

 

[Zabo]

 

[teuchter]

Or we could try to go forward to a situation where polcing is carried out by people who are recognised by, respected by and accountable to the public they serve; at present recognition, respect and accountability are not the key characteristics of the relationship between many many of those being policed and those doing the policing.

Not that the ACAB lot could imagine such a situation existing anyway - the choice for them is black & white - between the status quo and some imaginary alternative that they can't define in any realistic way.