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London Student protests - Wed 8th Dec+ Thurs 9th

I'm so proud of the protesters. Fucking brilliant. Getting Charlie and Camilla was icing on a delicious cake. :):)
 
dylans said:
The police were physically defending a decision by the lying dogs sitting in parliament to launch an attack on the poorest in society in order to pay for a crisis caused by the rich and powerful. That decision represents an act of violence against the working class and an assault on the dreams hopes and aspirations of a generation. By acting in defence of those making that decision the police become the enemy and therefore violence against them becomes legitimate and right. This is not a game and calls for the victims of those political attacks to peacefully accept them is a call for us to accept defeat.

2. If the demonstrators had gained access to Parliament they would have physically assaulted those illegitimate MPs and attempted to disrupt the illegitimate decisions they were taking. Why not? They are making decisions about our lives and the future of our children and they have no democratic mandate to do so. In the face of their political unaccountability street violence is the only reply. Not only is it morally justified. It is the only possible response and the only thing that they take seriously.

3. For the above reasons. Yes. When baton wielding thugs, with shields and horses act to defend the undemocratic actions of my enemies inside the HOP then they become my enemy.

Hope this answered your questions
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Can I be the first to wish you a very merry christmas.
 
gentlegreen said:
So can I have a second go at getting an answer.

1. The police should have allowed the protest to go right up to the doors of the HOP ?
2. If they had done so, there would have been no violence or vandalism on the part of the protesters ?
3. Therefore it was legitimate to try to injure the police and commit acts of vandalism. ?

Sorry to be thick.
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1. Yes. It's our Parliament, we should be able to go there whenever, and however we want.
2. See above. We made it , we can break it if we so wish.
3. Legitimate? Yes. Right? That's a different question.
 
gentlegreen said:
The obvious next question is - "mouth, trousers, or agent provocateur" ?
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Yes, quite.

Look forward to your report from the next protest where you put views forward and convince the "violent thugs" of the error of their ways.

Put up or shut up GG?
 
gentlegreen said:
The obvious next question is - "mouth, trousers, or agent provocateur" ?
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Miners strike. Wapping. Poll Tax riot. I've done enough not to have to justify myself to a coward like you. I would have at least a modicum of respect for you if you just made it clear you support the coalition government's attacks. I have zero respect for your fake outrage at people fighting back.
 
Doing over the royals car ensured this story will be on the front page of newspapers the world over. <laughs like a hyena>
 
chilango said:
Yes, quite.

Look forward to your report from the next protest where you put views forward and convince the "violent thugs" of the error of their ways.

Put up or shut up GG?
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Since this appears to be an early stage of the revolution, surely your duty is to convince others ?

Or are the rules of the revolution written down somewhere so I can gen up on it for myself ?
 
chilango said:
1. Yes. It's our Parliament, we should be able to go there whenever, and however we want.
2. See above. We made it , we can break it if we so wish.
3. Legitimate? Yes. Right? That's a different question.
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"we" ?

Just what proportion of the 60-odd million inhabitants of this island do you suppose would join you ?
 
dylans said:
I would have at least a modicum of respect for you if you just made it clear you support the coalition government's attacks. I have zero respect for your fake outrage at people fighting back.
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Even if I was the Tory you suspect me of being, if you knew what I did for a living and who my employer has been for nearly 30 years, you would realise how directly I am affected by government education policy - even if only at the level of cynical self-interest.
 
dylans said:
Miners strike. Wapping. Poll Tax riot. I've done enough not to have to justify myself to a coward like you. I would have at least a modicum of respect for you if you just made it clear you support the coalition government's attacks. I have zero respect for your fake outrage at people fighting back.
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Fighting back against what?

The Government (as duly elected) represent the MAJORITY of the British people.

If a few unwashed scum wish to take to the streets to carry our random acts of violence and vandalism then I'm sure that the Justice system will be able to cope.

If people don't like Government policy, then they can use tha ballot box at the next election.
 
GG, i have mixed views on violence, depending on who or what it is aimed at, but when politicians fail to listen, renage on promises and bring in their mafia bodyguards to beat and imprison people, i start to lose sympathy.

1m people marched on Iraq in peace, and nothing changed. As someone once said, "Those who make peaceful change impossible, make violent change inevitable."

History speaks, listen.
 
editor said:
We'd stopped at to a nearby pub to warm up (it was fucking freezing today), saw that fire appear on TV and legged it back out again!

One rather unusual thing: I took along my press card at G20 and it turned out to be thoroughly useless, with cops just ignoring it completely.

Today, the cops were falling over themselves to let me past the police lines, so I ended up right behind the 'battle zone'. The cops were friendly as fuck too and tolerated me getting inbetween their lines trying to grab some pics.

It was a bit unnerving to be honest, but credit where credit is due.
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I eventually made it around to the Westminster Abbey bit around 7 - took me ages to walk all around the kettle from Westminster bridge as I went to each entrance to Parliament Sq to see what was happening at each. Tried contacting you when I got to the abbey, but texts weren't working - cell probably jammed from so many people using it.
 
editor said:
One rather unusual thing: I took along my press card at G20 and it turned out to be thoroughly useless, with cops just ignoring it completely.

Today, the cops were falling over themselves to let me past the police lines, so I ended up right behind the 'battle zone'. The cops were friendly as fuck too and tolerated me getting inbetween their lines trying to grab some pics.

It was a bit unnerving to be honest, but credit where credit is due.
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On the whole I had the same experience (minus the press card) - definitely allowances made by the police, perhaps because they were younger than usual mobs. A number of times I thought, this is the moment all hell breaks loose - all the triggers were there - and it never did.

Those who stuck out the freezing weather till very late did get kettled and taken out on though (amongst other cuntish incidents)... It was a loong cold day, and credit to the students for the twelve hour shift - a lot of which involved standing around doing not a lot.

I guess its all about how it looks in the media, and good headlines (global ones) were scored. In my mind at least it still felt like a loss - the vote passed (of course). I wonder what next? I'll be v happily stunned if the momentum remains...
 
Cobbles said:
Fighting back against what?

The Government (as duly elected) represent the MAJORITY of the British people.

If a few unwashed scum wish to take to the streets to carry our random acts of violence and vandalism then I'm sure that the Justice system will be able to cope.

If people don't like Government policy, then they can use tha ballot box at the next election.
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Oh Cobbles...
 
cobbles said, "The Government (as duly elected) represent the MAJORITY of the British people."

People didnt elect a coalition or LibDems in ordee from them to regage on promises.
 
cobbles went on.."If people don't like Government policy, then they can use tha ballot box at the next election."

'Manufacturing consent' i believe is the process you are describing.
 
dylans said:
The police were physically defending a decision by the lying dogs sitting in parliament to launch an attack on the poorest in society in order to pay for a crisis caused by the rich and powerful. That decision represents an act of violence against the working class and an assault on the dreams hopes and aspirations of a generation. By acting in defence of those making that decision the police become the enemy and therefore violence against them becomes legitimate and right. This is not a game and calls for the victims of those political attacks to peacefully accept them is a call for us to accept defeat.

2. If the demonstrators had gained access to Parliament they would have physically assaulted those illegitimate MPs and attempted to disrupt the illegitimate decisions they were taking. Why not? They are making decisions about our lives and the future of our children and they have no democratic mandate to do so. In the face of their political unaccountability street violence is the only reply. Not only is it morally justified. It is the only possible response and the only thing that they take seriously.

3. For the above reasons. Yes. When baton wielding thugs, with shields and horses act to defend the undemocratic actions of my enemies inside the HOP then they become my enemy.

Hope this answered your questions
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So next week when it's the EDL trying to get all moslems deported should they be allowed inside too? Just asking?
 
Barking_Mad said:
cobbles went on.."If people don't like Government policy, then they can use tha ballot box at the next election."

'Manufacturing consent' i believe is the process you are describing.
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Yes you can choose between the party that introduced tuition fees and the two that put them up!
 
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