London Anarchist Bookfair 2023/24
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Fozzie Bear
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1pm Toynbee Hall - Workshops - Anarchist Bookfair London
charlie mowbray
The Enforcer
If the ACG is banned, then on the same criteria, so should Peace News etc. Heard that several groups are planning to withdraw from Bookfair.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Thanks. Just had a proper look at the agenda. It seems more of a discussion on how anarchists can better assist the Ukrainians more in their fight than anything else.
Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
Slightly mad couple of days on twitter - I have been pretty happy to have been distracted by work.
I'm uncomfortable with how much of some people's problem with the ACG relies on things that appear not to be in the public domain.
And the undercurrent of the group being forever tainted by the original sin of their origin story (or rather - a contested version of it) flies in the face of people's commitment to things like restorative justice and the idea that people and groups can develop their ideas and analysis.
I'm uncomfortable with how much of some people's problem with the ACG relies on things that appear not to be in the public domain.
And the undercurrent of the group being forever tainted by the original sin of their origin story (or rather - a contested version of it) flies in the face of people's commitment to things like restorative justice and the idea that people and groups can develop their ideas and analysis.
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LDC
On est tous des pangolins
I'd be surprised if it didn't explode, I mean expand, into the wider issues tbh.
Although I'm not sure what the point would be, I've been involved in a fair few meetings on that and feels like nobody changes their mind, it's just a clash that doesn't lead anywhere useful, best to probably let the meeting happen on what they want to talk about rather than drag it into a shouting match.
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LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Ultimately it's a bit pointless withdrawing though unless a bunch of groups do it and put something out at the Bookfair about why, which I suspect is unlikely.
Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
My guess is that Peace News has been left alone because nobody reads it.
I recently discovered that they had posted a glowing obit for Roger Moody, who was connected with the Paedophile Information Exchange. It might have been good to have mentioned that.
peacenews.info
www.islingtongazette.co.uk
I recently discovered that they had posted a glowing obit for Roger Moody, who was connected with the Paedophile Information Exchange. It might have been good to have mentioned that.
Obituary: Roger Moody: 1940s – June 2022 | Peace News
peacenews.info
The north London paedophile who kept getting jobs with children
Islington youth worker Roger Moody was a proud paedophile who lobbied to abolish the age of consent, yet kept getting jobs working with children.
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Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
Maybe, but this decision doesn't seem to be based on logic or even ideology. Taking the word of some spiteful shitstirring no mark however... that'll do, pig
hitmouse
music obfuscation technology
Just had a look to see who meets the criteria for proper pure bookfair-worthy anarchist groups these days, and nice to see that being a trot is no barrier to getting a bookfair stall these days:
anarchistbookfair.london
Fwiw, I don't have anything particularly against RS21, they seem to be pretty sensible as trot groups go and all the members I know locally are lovely people, I don't think any of them have ever claimed to be anarchists though?
rs21 (Revolutionary Socialism in the 21st Century) - Anarchist Bookfair London
anarchistbookfair.london
Fwiw, I don't have anything particularly against RS21, they seem to be pretty sensible as trot groups go and all the members I know locally are lovely people, I don't think any of them have ever claimed to be anarchists though?
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
There's a few non-anarchist groups on there.
An artist group Writing Our Legacy - Anarchist Bookfair London
London intersectional bookshop The Common Press - Anarchist Bookfair London
...and a few others
An artist group Writing Our Legacy - Anarchist Bookfair London
London intersectional bookshop The Common Press - Anarchist Bookfair London
...and a few others
Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
I doubt mail art legend Mark Pawson / Disinfotainment would describe himself as an anarchist but he is sound too.
Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
To be clear I think it’s great that Chronos / CWO and a bunch of others are there. Cristicuffs too.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I reckon some of their more sectarian competitors must know them as arse 21Just had a look to see who meets the criteria for proper pure bookfair-worthy anarchist groups these days, and nice to see that being a trot is no barrier to getting a bookfair stall these days:
rs21 (Revolutionary Socialism in the 21st Century) - Anarchist Bookfair London
Fwiw, I don't have anything particularly against RS21, they seem to be pretty sensible as trot groups go and all the members I know locally are lovely people, I don't think any of them have ever claimed to be anarchists though?
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
I'm planning to bring some homebrew.
hitmouse
music obfuscation technology
Are you suggesting that the ACG are not actually nazis who advocate for genocide? Frankly, I don't know what to think anymore:Maybe, but this decision doesn't seem to be based on logic or even ideology. Taking the word of some spiteful shitstirring no mark however... that'll do, pig
Genuinely a bit of a "have to laugh or you'd cry" moment there, I can't think how you would even begin to have a conversation with someone who appears to genuinely believe that the ACG are nazis.
Lurdan
old wave
The same Chronos who were asked to leave the Radical Bookfair in 2018?
Spent half an hour or so perusing postings on x-twitter. Looks like there was a lot of push back after the bookfair posted a list of attendees on Saturday. In the replies under that is a short thread from the ZombieLenin account.
After the bookfair had changed their minds ZombieLenin helpfully suggested what would need to happen for the ACG to be allowed back. They also posted the only attempt at alleged 'evidence' as distinct from assertion I've seen.
The sig bodomy account spread the word by tagging in lots of other people and amongst other things posted this:
Lots more in the same vein.
I assume I'm only seeing the tip of the pushback directed at the bookfair and that this social media 'mini-storm' was what caused them to reverse their decision. Bodes well for the next time someone wishes to influence them.
Still at least I've learned that the ACG have finally dropped their appallingly liberal opposition to genocide so it's not been a complete waste of time.
Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
Hmmmmmm fair point. Was that Chronos or just someone on their stall though?
Lurdan
old wave
All of the above as I recall
Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
All of the above as I recall
Strange times. Especially for those of us with patchy memories!redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Fuck me, this is why I hate social media
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
See the calibre of critic anarchist communists have to deal with. It's really poor. You get more sense from a FOTLer for fuck sake.
This is why we can't have nice things.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Mumsnet fairly even handed in not keen on any anarchists: Anarchists banned from London Anarchist Bookfair due to alleged transphobia | Mumsnet
hitmouse
music obfuscation technology
I've probably said it multiple times now, but on some level it is still extremely funny that the people kicking off at the bookfair for potentially being willing to contemplate the idea of having an ACG stall are happy to carry on voluntarily generating content for the Elon Musk website.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
When I see stuff like this, henceforth my 62 year old standard response will always be 'was that AI generated and if so, I hope they got a receipt'.
Go on, I know I'll regret this: which genocide have the ACG been 'advocating'?
They don’t appear to understand what it is. The old looking at dictionary definitions in leu of political explanations.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Do you think they have more reach and more understanding than the twitter maelstrom? Just wondering who the Bookfair listens to.
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