List the films you've seen at the cinema: 2012
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Gramsci
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http://www.coriolanusmovie.co.uk/
Coriolanus
Updated to the 90s Balkan wars this is little known Shakespeare play. Grim and brutal. Fiennes play Coriolanus a warlord who cannot adjust to peace and drags his country into another bloody war. I had never heard of this play. Its more relevant now as it deals with a society verging on the edge of chaos. Politics, violence, nationalism and class war are all covered. Also Coriolanus brought up in a world of violence cannot bend or relate to those around him. Vanessa Redgrave plays his mother - as hard minded as him. There relationship is poisonous. Vanessa is very very good. The scenes between Fiennes and her show what a great actress she still is.
Good cinematography as well by Ackroyd. Who did United 93 and "The Wind that shakes the Barley".
Im no expert on Shakespeare and I dont follow all the dialogue. Need to see it again when it comes out on DVD.
Still its a powerful film. Better at dealing with the issues of power and politics than the recent "Iron Lady". Had everything that film skated over.
Coriolanus
Updated to the 90s Balkan wars this is little known Shakespeare play. Grim and brutal. Fiennes play Coriolanus a warlord who cannot adjust to peace and drags his country into another bloody war. I had never heard of this play. Its more relevant now as it deals with a society verging on the edge of chaos. Politics, violence, nationalism and class war are all covered. Also Coriolanus brought up in a world of violence cannot bend or relate to those around him. Vanessa Redgrave plays his mother - as hard minded as him. There relationship is poisonous. Vanessa is very very good. The scenes between Fiennes and her show what a great actress she still is.
Good cinematography as well by Ackroyd. Who did United 93 and "The Wind that shakes the Barley".
Im no expert on Shakespeare and I dont follow all the dialogue. Need to see it again when it comes out on DVD.
Still its a powerful film. Better at dealing with the issues of power and politics than the recent "Iron Lady". Had everything that film skated over.
petee
no gods, no malarkey
tinker tailor is the only film we've seen in a theater so far. overall still much prefer the TV series, but the film had two or three plusses, the biggest of which is that smiley comes across as the cold fuck he'd have to be to reach that position; alec guinness was great to watch but too mild to be really convincing. other plusses are that it's bloodier, and esterhase is clearly mittleuropan, on TV he was an english as the next toff. but control, prideaux, and tarr were much better on TV.
Gingerman
Is a great bunch of lads.....
Went to see it yesterday,Spielberg really ladles on the schmaltz,didn't really move me like I thought it would tbh,action scenes are well done though,I liked the Calvary charge and the bit where the horse races along what seems to be half the length of the Western Front before getting caught up it the barbwire.Not a bad film by any means but some of the rave reviews it got are a bit
dynamicbaddog
run for your life
The Artist
really enjoyed it, more than I thought I would.
The dog was ace.
really enjoyed it, more than I thought I would.
The dog was ace.
Strumpet
gypsy girl
Sherlock - enjoyed the relationships and the fight scenes and loveed the humour.
Haywire - very disappointed. Looked forward to a female toughie lead but the story was weak the fight scenes look too staged and didn't flow at all and the ending....wtf!?
Have got 2 free Vue tickets and after reviews on here I want to see The Artist and def. Girl with Dragon Tatt! Ohhgod and Underworld!!
Haywire - very disappointed. Looked forward to a female toughie lead but the story was weak the fight scenes look too staged and didn't flow at all and the ending....wtf!?
Have got 2 free Vue tickets and after reviews on here I want to see The Artist and def. Girl with Dragon Tatt! Ohhgod and Underworld!!
Ahh Geri you soppy mare! Shedding a little tear once I can accept, but watching it twice since friday and blubbing both times??
I bet you laughed when the krauts all chucked their wire-clippers over too 
Anyone seen the stage show and the film?
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
"The House of Tolerance" / L'Apollonide (Souvenirs de la maison close)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1660379/
French film nominated for Palme d'Or on limited release here. Saw it at the Ciné Lumière.
Very French. 2 hours in an upmarket brothel at the turn of the 19th c.
It is a historically researched look at the "tolerated" brothels of Paris for wealthy men. It could have been titillating but it is far from that. This is not a soft core costume drama. This is despite the way its shot. The scenes are sumptuous. In hindsight this makes it almost a surreal film. The house becomes claustrophobic after a while.
The actual scenes of sex ( or "commerce" as its called in the house) become unerotic . The woman "perform" for the men. Downstairs they talk and play games with the clientèle. They know and the men know this is all for money. Its a fantasy. The wealthy men can afford this luxury and escape.
The film show the commercial nature of the brothel and the larger society. This capitalist society is one where everything is bought and sold. The lower orders live a precarious life. Becoming a prostitute is perhaps better than working in some sweatshop to them.
Its not a simple morality tale. Whilst the women are trapped in there circumstances they have a sense of camaderie with each other. There is even a kind of relationship between some of the girls and there clients.
It has split critics. Bradshaw in Guardian hates it. I think he misses the point. Its not a straightforward polemical film. It is very odd. Only the French could make a film like this. And straight after seeing it I wasn't sure what to make of it. It comes across as cold. But then maybe I have become used to a lot of emotional angst portrayed on screen recently. So this film is also interesting in the way that it does not do this. It does not give one any answers or lead the viewer to make any. Most bizarre is the almost nostalgic end of an era in Paris feel to it. Which the ending undercuts.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1660379/
French film nominated for Palme d'Or on limited release here. Saw it at the Ciné Lumière.
Very French. 2 hours in an upmarket brothel at the turn of the 19th c.
It is a historically researched look at the "tolerated" brothels of Paris for wealthy men. It could have been titillating but it is far from that. This is not a soft core costume drama. This is despite the way its shot. The scenes are sumptuous. In hindsight this makes it almost a surreal film. The house becomes claustrophobic after a while.
The actual scenes of sex ( or "commerce" as its called in the house) become unerotic . The woman "perform" for the men. Downstairs they talk and play games with the clientèle. They know and the men know this is all for money. Its a fantasy. The wealthy men can afford this luxury and escape.
The film show the commercial nature of the brothel and the larger society. This capitalist society is one where everything is bought and sold. The lower orders live a precarious life. Becoming a prostitute is perhaps better than working in some sweatshop to them.
Its not a simple morality tale. Whilst the women are trapped in there circumstances they have a sense of camaderie with each other. There is even a kind of relationship between some of the girls and there clients.
It has split critics. Bradshaw in Guardian hates it. I think he misses the point. Its not a straightforward polemical film. It is very odd. Only the French could make a film like this. And straight after seeing it I wasn't sure what to make of it. It comes across as cold. But then maybe I have become used to a lot of emotional angst portrayed on screen recently. So this film is also interesting in the way that it does not do this. It does not give one any answers or lead the viewer to make any. Most bizarre is the almost nostalgic end of an era in Paris feel to it. Which the ending undercuts.
Shame.
I feel unclean, and need to scrub myself repeatedly. Its a very...uncompromising film, both graphically and very damning of its subjects.
I feel unclean, and need to scrub myself repeatedly. Its a very...uncompromising film, both graphically and very damning of its subjects.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Shame: a handsome rich man with a nice flat has too much anonymous sex with beautiful women, can't handle it, is mean to his equally fucked up sister and cries in the rain. Poor man. Poor poor man.
dynamicbaddog
run for your life
after reading this I went to see to it. I was hoping to leave the cinema feeling dirty, but it just left me cold. Disappointment.
But the whole film is about that emotional coldness, detachment, inability to connect. The one person he does have the possiblity of a relationship working with, he has to resort to charlie and still can't get it up. Hence the ending of the scene with a different woman. He can only get it up if its someone he cannot connect with, just someone he can use. hence its coldness is very fitting.
I cant say I particularly enjoyed it, but I appreciated it. Preferred Margin Call, tbh.
I cant say I particularly enjoyed it, but I appreciated it. Preferred Margin Call, tbh.
Reno
The In Kraut
Just because the film is about someone who is emotionally detached doesn't mean the film should make the audience feel detached from the plight of the characters.
I agree with that Reno, but its the whole artistic aesthetic of the director McQueen. Fascinating interview with him on BBC's 'Hardtalk' programme as a podcast which pretty explains that, no spoilers though. How can we feel emotion for someone who doesn't even feel emotion for themselves though?
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Boo fucking hoo
Reno
The In Kraut
He doesn't emotionally connect in a sexual or romantic way, but that doesn't mean he doesn't feel emotion. He certainly cries a few times during the film. I've seen plenty of films about emotionally remote characters which did make me feel something.
is the correct response. I didn't feel any sympathy for him at all.
Seen it. Plus L'apollonide/House of Tolerance, at the Sheffield Showroom. Only 3 people in the screening, none of us were impressed.
The Descendants was funny, the other major one I've seen this year is The Iron Lady (Streep was excellent, but perhaps the film could have shown a little more respect to Thatcher by not publicising her latter-day weaknesses so much)
Gramsci
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I agree this is exactly the point of the film and why the coldness is fitting.
Gramsci
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Gramsci
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Podcast here. Thanks for putting me onto it as i had not seen it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b019lwjn/HARDtalk_Steve_McQueen_Artist_and_filmmaker/
I think he overdoes the defence of sex addiction as an illness like alcoholism in interview. I didnt see the film as about sex addiction as such. I thought it was compulsive behaviour.
He also talks about Hunger and his work as a War Artist in Iraq ( which i didnt know about). His installation/films are good. I saw his installation/film at the Lumiere (tragically now a gym). The one about the South Africans miners which did stick in my memory. It has been bought by Tate but cant be seen on there website.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2002/oct/08/artsfeatures.art
A link between his artworks and more recent film is his interest in the body as a site of warfare/ conflict ( as he discusses in his interview). Either as a miner working in a "hell", Bobby Sands starving himself in Hunger or sex as in Shame ( in this sense at war with oneself).
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
i have a lot of trouble accepting the popular viewpoint of addiction as an illness. i think your point about compulsive behaviour as opposed to true addiction is interesting though. is poor impulse control the same, ultimately, as 'addiction'?
Gramsci
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"Martha Marcy May Marlene"
Saw this at Ritzy this afternoon. About a young woman who leaves a cult and returns to her only family- her sister. The film jumps back and forth from present to near past. Its sometimes confusing but this reflects Marcy s state of mind. This is a pyschological film rather than action. It is however quite scary in places.
It becomes clear that Marcys own family and her substitute cult family are both pretty fucked up. She is trying to find out who she is but in neither "straight" society or the cult does it work.
The film has great acting from John Hawkes as the clever manipulative cult leader. I also thought Elizabeth Olsen did a good job as Marcy.
It is worth seeing on big screen as it is well shot. The cults farmhouse is shot with a slightly dark edge. There are also long shots of them working in the fields around the house communally. This differs from the sister and her husbands uber rich lakeside house. Unnaturally clean and tidy. Its brightly shot but there is no sense of community on the lake.
They power boat on the lake but the other houses look devoid of people but like eyes watching. Marcy is told off for swimming naked in the lake. As other people might complain- but no one is in sight. However warped Marcy got community in the cult.
This is one of the more intelligent of recent US movies. Not Hollywood in any sense.
Saw this at Ritzy this afternoon. About a young woman who leaves a cult and returns to her only family- her sister. The film jumps back and forth from present to near past. Its sometimes confusing but this reflects Marcy s state of mind. This is a pyschological film rather than action. It is however quite scary in places.
It becomes clear that Marcys own family and her substitute cult family are both pretty fucked up. She is trying to find out who she is but in neither "straight" society or the cult does it work.
The film has great acting from John Hawkes as the clever manipulative cult leader. I also thought Elizabeth Olsen did a good job as Marcy.
It is worth seeing on big screen as it is well shot. The cults farmhouse is shot with a slightly dark edge. There are also long shots of them working in the fields around the house communally. This differs from the sister and her husbands uber rich lakeside house. Unnaturally clean and tidy. Its brightly shot but there is no sense of community on the lake.
They power boat on the lake but the other houses look devoid of people but like eyes watching. Marcy is told off for swimming naked in the lake. As other people might complain- but no one is in sight. However warped Marcy got community in the cult.
This is one of the more intelligent of recent US movies. Not Hollywood in any sense.
I certainly wouldn't describe sex addiction as a physical illness, but very possibly as a mental illness in terms of compulsive behaviour and self-esteem issues leading to seeking self-validation through sex. I wouldn't equate it to alchoholism.
The only addiction I would equate to being similar to an actual physical illness would be something along the lines of drug addiction ; This is only because the body is receiving certain chemicals from drugs, and thus is not manufacturing these (such as in cases of chemical opiates). I'm not an expert in drug addictions, but as the body is not manufacturing these, thus is it is an illness if looked upon it from strictly this point of view. The difference thus is the cause of the illness - the body doesn't manufacture these chemicals due to them being obtained from drug use, rather than though the body malfunctioning. The Body is still functioning normally in reaction to external stimuli in this sense. It is thus analogus, rather than actually being an illness; the net result is the same, the causality is different.
it may be driven due to psychological factors such as self-worth, self-esteem , rather than 'poor impluse control'. What are the driving factors behind this behaviour? Is it due to generally, body dysmorphia, whereby self-image is distorted due to a number of external, psychological factors? quite probably, by my reckoning.
Havent seen Hunger. Mind you, Only DVD ive seen is a vanilla ex-rental, and I don't buy vanilla discs if I can absolutely avoid it.
I didn't see the film as about sex addiction as such, but as seeing sex addiction as more a symptom , a product - the manifestation of wilful emotional detachment, and how it affects people's emotional states.
The only addiction I would equate to being similar to an actual physical illness would be something along the lines of drug addiction ; This is only because the body is receiving certain chemicals from drugs, and thus is not manufacturing these (such as in cases of chemical opiates). I'm not an expert in drug addictions, but as the body is not manufacturing these, thus is it is an illness if looked upon it from strictly this point of view. The difference thus is the cause of the illness - the body doesn't manufacture these chemicals due to them being obtained from drug use, rather than though the body malfunctioning. The Body is still functioning normally in reaction to external stimuli in this sense. It is thus analogus, rather than actually being an illness; the net result is the same, the causality is different.
it may be driven due to psychological factors such as self-worth, self-esteem , rather than 'poor impluse control'. What are the driving factors behind this behaviour? Is it due to generally, body dysmorphia, whereby self-image is distorted due to a number of external, psychological factors? quite probably, by my reckoning.
Havent seen Hunger. Mind you, Only DVD ive seen is a vanilla ex-rental, and I don't buy vanilla discs if I can absolutely avoid it.
I didn't see the film as about sex addiction as such, but as seeing sex addiction as more a symptom , a product - the manifestation of wilful emotional detachment, and how it affects people's emotional states.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
what's a vanilla disc?
No extras.
A lot of rental discs have the extras taken off so as not to harm retail sales. hence the term "Vanilla" (as in plain) .
As opposed to Vanilla = having no kinky sex. Which is quite different.
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