Life & Death

[tommers]

Well, none of the creation stories are comprehensible by our brains - what was before the big bang? We've spent thousands of years making an all powerful, all knowing God be reduced to somebody limited by human emotions (jealousy, vengeance, love), which isn't sensible but at least is something we can understand.

We've spent a lot of time trying to understand why we're here and what happens when we're not. And we've got almost exactly nowhere. So relax. If there's something after then you'll know soon enough, if there isn't then you're just dead and it won't matter.

Do the best you can while you're here. That's it.

 

[pbsmooth]

Well the law is given and the law is known
The tale is told and the seed is sown
From dust we came and dust we'll go
You know the Lord once told us so

It's a song by the Hollies

Cause from the hood I came and to the hood I must return

Congo Natty - Junglist

 

[friendofdorothy]

Must say the stand of unbanz philosophy is a bit shit here. Reduced to clichés and lyrics.

Couple of things came up on the what does middled aged mean now thread that I want to bring here.

 

[friendofdorothy]

ska invita said they would like to live to 200 we often hear people say those things.

Makes me think what would do with all that extra life?

People have for millennia sought eternal life and ways to live longer - what is it that gives people the drive to do this while others are happier / more accepting of dying?

 

[friendofdorothy]

Death would have we been physically closer to the living in previous centuries, more deaths at home, deaths in childhood, death in childbirth, etc. Death would have been part of everyday family life

Now it often happens more remotely from us with many urbanz starting on another thread recently that they had never seen a dead body.

Have we outsourced dying, undertaking, washing dead bodies, funerals so we don't have to think about it.
Capitalism at play in selling us death maybe?

 

[friendofdorothy]

Our media and entertainments are full of violent, gruesome, murdering kind of deaths. Why?

 

[ska invita]

I'm accepting of death, is what it is, but I've got an appetite for life. So much to do see and experience, I've barely scratched the surface.

Also I really want to see what happens to the human race (and try and contribute to that change). There have been long periods in history where nothing changes. Right now it's gone ballistic.

 

[ska invita]

Death would have we been physically closer to the living in previous centuries, more deaths at home, deaths in childhood, death in childbirth, etc. Death would have been part of everyday family life

Now it often happens more remotely from us with many urbanz starting on another thread recently that they had never seen a dead body.

Have we outsourced dying, undertaking, washing dead bodies, funerals so we don't have to think about it.
Capitalism at play in selling us death maybe?

Attitudes to death are one thing, but has almost nothing to do with wanting to live longer IMO

 

[ska invita]

Cause from the hood I came and to the hood I must return

Congo Natty - Junglist

Its actually from Lords of the Underground's Tic Toc, Congo Natty sampled it. Important to get the attribution for philosophical quotes right

 

[Koknbul]

Life is for living

Unfortunately death does not exist...

Well... not in the physical form.. at least !

 

[newme]

I fail to see anything thats good about death, I don't do religion so that is likely a factor but like, things ending aren't good unless they were inherently bad. My dad's anniversary of being dead a year is coming up soon, there is nothing good about that. Death absolutely exists, my BIL is an undertaker.

 

[Koknbul]

I fail to see anything thats good about death, I don't do religion so that is likely a factor but like, things ending aren't good unless they were inherently bad. My dad's anniversary of being dead a year is coming up soon, there is nothing good about that. Death absolutely exists, my BIL is an undertaker.

yes the physical form is non existent

I'm referring to the spirit form... lots of existence there !

 

[Aladdin]

Life is for living

Unfortunately death does not exist...

Well... not in the physical form.. at least !

Physical death exists.

Do you mean that spiritual death does not exist?? As in spirit lives on after the physical body dies?

If you don't mean that then I'm confused by your post..

 

[newme]

yes the physical form is non existent

I'm referring to the spirit form... lots of existence there !

you said it does not exist in the physical form, now in the 'spirit' form? Hang on my physical form doesn't exist? My scales disagree.

Also that requires a huge leap of faith to the assumption that anything bar the physical form exists.

 

[Koknbul]

you said it does not exist in the physical form, now in the 'spirit' form?

Also that requires a huge leap of faith to the assumption that anything bar the physical form exists.

The meaning of faith is to take a huge leap into the unknown ️

 

[Koknbul]

Physical death exists.

Do you mean that spiritual death does not exist?? As in spirit lives on after the physical body dies?

If you don't mean that then I'm confused by your post..

I would argue death is neither physical or spiritual

 

[newme]

The meaning of faith is to take a huge leap into the unknown ️

yes i saw a bungee jumper do that, they had no rope.

 

[newme]

I would argue death is neither physical or spiritual

That's not an argument it's a load of shite. You ever seem a dead body? Or did that not exist.

 

[tonysingh]

There's a quote by a Singh that hits home regarding this subject.

"A physical death I do not fear, but death of conscience is a sure death"

I take this to mean that my body, my physical form, is meaningless. What is important is what I do with this time, as guided by my conscience and soul. The latter is eternal, the former temporary.

 

[Koknbul]

That's not an argument it's a load of shite. You ever seem a dead body? Or did that not exist.

Death is a gateway, its actually the same gateway we use for life.
Imagine 1 door that leads 2 places, a river that flows both ways...

Death & Life is the space between the organic & the electric.
Its a seam created & pressed by the universe into the many fabrics that hold existence together...

I accept death & life as one
I am the dancer up on stage
My expression lights the way

 

[Aladdin]

Death is a gateway, its actually the same gateway we use for life.
Imagine 1 door that leads 2 places, a river that flows both ways...

Death & Life is the space between the organic & the electric.
Its a seam created & pressed by the universe into the many fabrics that hold existence together...

I accept death & life as one
I am the dancer up on stage
My expression lights the way

Just to say...organic is also electric. There isn't space between them.
Eta unless they are inorganic.

What I am getting from you is that you believe in reincarnation of the spirit / consciousness

 

[Koknbul]

Just to say...organic is also electric. There isn't space between them.

What I am getting from you is that you believe in reincarnation of the spirit / consciousness

Yes organic is electric for sure

For me anyway I feel that billions of years of evolution has gifted me with the experience of consciousness.

The natural world has elevated my experience of life beyond its sum of parts.

I'm fortunate to be able to make use of all my physical senses & I am constantly trying to learn new ways to appreciate my spiritual senses, its an everyday process.

 

[Aladdin]

Yes organic is electric for sure

For me anyway I feel that billions of years of evolution has gifted me with the experience of consciousness.

The natural world has elevated my experience of life beyond its sum of parts.

I'm fortunate to be able to make use of all my physical senses & I am constantly trying to learn new ways to appreciate my spiritual senses, its an everyday process.

Do you really think you were consciously here on earth billions of years ago?

I mean .... the earliest creatures were sponges 1.5 million years ago...

Go back a couple of billion years and you're talking single cell molecules.

Go back 4.5 billion years and earth was a ball of fire that did not harbour any life.

 

[Aladdin]

I really don't want to reincarnate.
Definitely not. I think one life has been plenty enough for me.
I'd much rather go elsewhere after death...than back to here.

 

[danny la rouge]

I really don't want to reincarnate.
Definitely not. I think one life has been plenty enough for me.
I'd much rather go elsewhere after death...than back to here.

Brighton?

 

[newme]

Yes organic is electric for sure

For me anyway I feel that billions of years of evolution has gifted me with the experience of consciousness.

The natural world has elevated my experience of life beyond its sum of parts.

I'm fortunate to be able to make use of all my physical senses & I am constantly trying to learn new ways to appreciate my spiritual senses, its an everyday process.

You can't do anything with your physical senses when they cease to function. If it is useful to you great but denying death existing is simply counterfactual. My dad died a year ago today, he isn't up to much at the moment.

 

[Koknbul]

Do you really think you were consciously here on earth billions of years ago?

I mean .... the earliest creatures were sponges 1.5 million years ago...

Go back a couple of billion years and you're talking single cell molecules.

Go back 4.5 billion years and earth was a ball of fire that did not harbour any life.

Personally I don't believe in reincarnation.
I am aware of the fact that I am living proof that life started billions of years ago, just like all the other billions of people are proof to themselves.

life was created before I came into consciousness & it will keep living past my consciousness.

Like a flame that sits on a candle all I can do is shine ️

 

[danny la rouge]

I like Thich Nhat Hahn’s concept of Interbeing. It’s his coinage for Dependent Origination. The idea that we are not independent units but that there are, radiating out from us and to us, circles of conditions for our existence. I cannot Be without a whole panoply of conditions. Obviously my parents. But also food producers, house builders, medical professionals, and non human conditions such as food, the fabric of my home, the planet I stand on.

My flat is in a building built 200 years ago. The original builders are long gone. But their labour then gives me shelter now. The more you think about it, the more connections with other beings and other objects you see. And not just events or things or people in our own time.

We tend to see time as linear. But the conditions for my existence are there over billions of years. Obviously the parents I had in turn had parents. And their parents had parents. And this goes back beyond history. And beyond the existence of Homo sapiens. It did not come about that the last pre Homo sapiens mother gave birth to the first H. sapiens child. There was a gradation of mother and child, mother and child, mother and child, over geological time. My direct lineage. My direct family tree includes non human ancestors. Then non primate. Non mammal. Non reptile. Off the land back into the sea all the way to the primordial soup near a volcanic vent where life began. All these beings directly led to me. And all those beings had conditions for their existence.

To me, that is reincarnation. The life I live, the life force responsible for my thoughts and actions, came from many non human beings. It will pass on to my children. But also my existence will touch those I taught, those I interact with, and those they interact with.

That is Interbeing. I “inter-am” with the trees outside my window, the long dead builders of my home, the children I taught, the people I socialised with, the coffee I drank at breakfast, the cup I drank it from.

 

[newme]

I like Thich Nhat Hahn’s concept of Interbeing. It’s his coinage for Dependent Origination. The idea that we are not independent units but that there are, radiating out from us and to us, circles of conditions for our existence. I cannot Be without a whole panoply of conditions. Obviously my parents. But also food producers, house builders, medical professionals, and non human conditions such as food, the fabric of my home, the planet I stand on.

My flat is in a building built 200 years ago. The original builders are long gone. But their labour then gives me shelter now. The more you think about it, the more connections with other beings and other objects you see. And not just events or things or people in our own time.

We tend to see time as linear. But the conditions for my existence are there over billions of years. Obviously the parents I had in turn had parents. And their parents had parents. And this goes back beyond history. And beyond the existence of Homo sapiens. It did not come about that the last pre Homo sapiens mother gave birth to the first H. sapiens child. There was a gradation of mother and child, mother and child, mother and child, over geological time. My direct lineage. My direct family tree includes non human ancestors. Then non primate. Non mammal. Non reptile. Off the land back into the sea all the way to the primordial soup near a volcanic vent where life began. All these beings directly led to me. And all those beings had conditions for their existence.

To me, that is reincarnation. The life I live, the life force responsible for my thoughts and actions, came from many non human beings. It will pass on to my children. But also my existence will touch those I taught, those I interact with, and those they interact with.

That is Interbeing. I “inter-am” with the trees outside my window, the long dead builders of my home, the children I taught, the people I socialised with, the coffee I drank at breakfast, the cup I drank it from.

Sounds somewhat like historical sonder.

 

[danny la rouge]

Sounds somewhat like historical sonder.

Yes, in a way.