Libertarians

[Spanky Longhorn]

...and stil have that weird shit hanging on his ear.

by jove I think he has flesh tunnels

 

[8ball]

by jove I think he has flesh tunnels

I really don't get that shit.

 

[J Ed]

My new favourite libertarian

https://twitter.com/jontycampbell

Describes himself as

Highlander Cyberpunk,Voiceover,Traveller,Serial Adventurer&Persistent Improver(Tedious & Pointless says @OwenJones84)Follows/RT/Followrs no Endorsement

Believes that "Fascism is Italian word for Socialism" - also his name is Jonty.

 

[DotCommunist]

has there ever been a Jonty who wasn't a massive prick? Its like the name is a curse, doomed to warp its bearer into the sort of person you want to kerb stamp

 

[8ball]

has there ever been a Jonty who wasn't a massive prick? Its like the name is a curse, doomed to warp its bearer into the sort of person you want to kerb stamp

Bit like Adrian.

 

[butchersapron]

The best ever jonty

 

[J Ed]

This is actually quite scary

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/21/b...l=1&adxnnlx=1366675638-JC/U491TItOKvzXXty4/Wg

Three years ago, Charles and David Koch, the billionaire industrialists and supporters of libertarian causes, held a seminar of like-minded, wealthy political donors at the St. Regis Resort in Aspen, Colo. They laid out a three-pronged, 10-year strategy to shift the country toward a smaller government with less regulation and taxes.

The first two pieces of the strategy — educating grass-roots activists and influencing politics — were not surprising, given the money they have given to policy institutes and political action groups. But the third one was: media.

Other than financing a few fringe libertarian publications, the Kochs have mostly avoided media investments. Now, Koch Industries, the sprawling private company of which Charles G. Koch serves as chairman and chief executive, is exploring a bid to buy the Tribune Company’s eight regional newspapers, including The Los Angeles Times, The Chicago Tribune, The Baltimore Sun, The Orlando Sentinel and The Hartford Courant.

 

[J Ed]

 

[nino_savatte]

the only good thing about looking at this picture is the knowlege these punters have a much statistically higher chance than me of being eaten by a lion/polar bear/tiger ,killed by tribesmen/pirates, dying in a lightaircraft/helicopter mishap, or by autoerotic asphyxiation .

And even if none of that ever happens to them one of them will still always be called Felix Bungay

None of them looks old enough to shave, tbh.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yes, yes he is.

What a rotten person Ayn Rand was.

Obvious masochist too.

 

[ViolentPanda]

by jove I think he has flesh tunnels

If he doesn't, I'll happily carve him one.

 

[Idris2002]

An old colleague of mine is having a sort of semi-meltdown on Facebook, and recommending Murray Rothbard to all and sundry.

Now he has this to say:

Conspiracy theories are statements, never questions. Unanswered questions are, however, conspiracies against the truth.

Isn't there quite a bit of overlap between Ron Paul-style "libertarians" and conspiraloons in the US?

 

[ViolentPanda]

My new favourite libertarian

https://twitter.com/jontycampbell

Describes himself as



Believes that "Fascism is Italian word for Socialism" - also his name is Jonty.

And he's a descendent of the treacherous Clan Campbell, which makes him a wrong'un on any day of the month.

 

[J Ed]

 

[Idris2002]

Homeschooled and ILLITERATE:

http://www.salon.com/2012/03/15/homeschooled_and_illiterate/

 

[Knotted]

Obvious masochist too.

And a hybristophile.

 

[nino_savatte]

Is that cunt serious? Fucking hell!

 

[Casually Red]

None of them looks old enough to shave, tbh.

which is good . That means theyre likely to go somewhere exotic on a gap year or something .

 

[cantsin]

we need to add Frankie Fucktard Turner to this thread - a proud libertarian and a man without a single molecule of integrity to his name

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[J Ed]

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/04/23/ron_paul_fans_furious_over_rand_pauls_drone_flip_flop

Who saw that coming? Hint: everyone outside the cult

 

[Casually Red]

My new favourite libertarian

https://twitter.com/jontycampbell

Describes himself as



Believes that "Fascism is Italian word for Socialism" - also his name is Jonty.

jonty and felix..sticking it to the reds and then guffawing about it later over a pimms in the adam smith inst bar

 

[cesare]

In some cases that may well have been the motivation, in others that i'm more familiar with though it was to specifically identify with the continental libertarian communist tradition (through the plaform to Fontenis rather than the floppy liberal bollocks anarchism of much of post-war anarchism - see albert meltzer for example.



edit: and i'd say post-miners strike that usage was replaced by small c communist.

Why do you consider Meltzer to be a floppy liberal bollocks anarchist? That's not what comes across in the Kate Sharpley overview of him http://www.katesharpleylibrary.net/w9gk1g although I've only read one of his books, which is why I'm curious.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

FB is awash with a new breed of sillies with catchphrases such as "UKIP For Me" and "UKIP All The Way". Some of them venture to suggest that the party is "libertarian".

I've never seen them square this with policies on doubling prison capacity or tax discs for cyclists.
To be fair I've seen some Libertarians rip them to shit.

I guess the main problem with modern libertarianism is that it is simplistic in the extreme. At least anarchists seem more ready to grapple with the issues and challenges their beliefs raise. self styled Libertarians tend to be smug know-all types, drooling of Rand and Ron Paul with no thought of the inevitable consequences of even more extreme madness than that which created the current economic mess.

 

[JimW]

Why do you consider Meltzer to be a floppy liberal bollocks anarchist? That's not what comes across in the Kate Sharpley overview of him http://www.katesharpleylibrary.net/w9gk1g although I've only read one of his books, which is why I'm curious.

I'm sure butchers means meltzer was one of the ones wanting to make the distinction, not that he was a floppy liberal. Mind I've only read half a book more than you so not any expert!

 

[William of Walworth]

This is actually quite scary

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/21/b...l=1&adxnnlx=1366675638-JC/U491TItOKvzXXty4/Wg

In amidst all ths pisstaking and fringeloon stuff, this is the really serious/worrying bit I'd say. The Kochs have serious money and already have plenty of influence, and look determined to gain more.

 

[cesare]

I'm sure butchers means meltzer was one of the ones wanting to make the distinction, not that he was a floppy liberal. Mind I've only read half a book more than you so not any expert!

So see what Meltzer was saying about it for example, rather than see Meltzer for example. Gotcha

 

[butchersapron]

Why do you consider Meltzer to be a floppy liberal bollocks anarchist? That's not what comes across in the Kate Sharpley overview of him http://www.katesharpleylibrary.net/w9gk1g although I've only read one of his books, which is why I'm curious.

So see what Meltzer was saying about it for example, rather than see Meltzer for example. Gotcha

Yep, that's it.

 

[cesare]

Liberal economics are almost as dead as the dodo. What rules is either the monopoly of the big firms, or of the State. Yet laissez-faire economics remain embodied aspirations of the Tory Party which they never implement. They object to the intervention of the State in business, but they never care to carry the spirit of competition too far. There is no logical reason why there should be any restriction on the movement of currency -- and this is good Tory policy (though never implemented! Not until the crisis, any crisis, is over!). From this point of view, why should we not be able to deal in gold pieces or U.S. dollars, or Maria Theresa tales, or Francs, or Deutschmarks, or even devalued Deutschmarks? The pound sterling would soon find its own level, and if it were devalued, so much the worse for it. But why stop there? If we can choose any currency we like, free socialism could coexist with capitalism and it would drive capitalism out.

Once free socialism competes with capitalism -- as it would if we would choose to ignore the State's symbolic money and deal in one of our own choosing, which reflected real work values -- who would choose to be exploited? Quite clearly no laissez-faire economist who had to combine his role with that of party politician would allow things to go that far.

Liberal-Democracy picks up one of the normal arguments against Anarchism which begin on the right wing: namely, it begins with the objections against socialism -- that is Statism -- but if there is an anti-Statist socialism that is in fact more liberal than itself, then it is "criminal". If it is not, then it seeks law to make it so.

This argument is in fact beneath contempt, yet it is one that influences the press, police, and judiciary to a surprising extent. In fact Anarchism as such (as distinct from specific Anarchist organisations) could never be illegal, because no laws can make people love the State. It is only done by false ideals such as describing the State as "country".

The fact is that Liberal-Democracy seldom voices any arguments against Anarchism as such -- other than relying on prejudice -- because its objections are purely authoritarian and unmask the innate Statism and authoritarianism of liberalism. Nowadays conservatives like to appropriate the name "liberalism" to describe themselves as if they were more receptive to freedom than socialists. But their liberalism is confined to keeping the State out of interfering in their business affairs. Once anarchism makes it plain that it is possible to have both social justice and to dispense with the Statethey are shown in their true colours. Their arguments against State socialism and Communism may sound "libertarian", but their arguments against Anarchism reveal that they are essentially authoritarian. That is why they prefer to rely upon innuendo, slanders. and false reporting, which is part of the establishment anti-anarchism, faithfully supported by the media.

 

[J Ed]

 

[Idris2002]

"And then I'll say to Austria. . . form an alliance with the crown. . . not the king, just. . . the crown. They may mock me now, but when the history of this past era is written, they shall mark my name well. . . "