Libertarians

[SpineyNorman]

What have the librarians ever done to you?

SSShhhhhhhhh! The cunts

 

[sihhi]

Here is the Libertarian right taking up intersectionality/privilege politics

http://petespence.co.uk/why-libertarians-should-embrace-ideas-of-privilege-and-intersectionality

We find that in many cases, minorities are better able to fend for themselves when left alone, despite the existence of oppression, than when politicians attempt to help. Libertarians will be familiar with the example of the minimum wage, which is thought to disproportionately render the young, black and the disabled unable to find a willing employer.

Trade is not only a great tool to generate wealth and prevent wars, but it is also a great equaliser. The co-ordinating forces of trade see thousands of people who might never speak to each other if they passed each other on a street working together to create.

Economic historians have documented the ways in which even in the face of great social oppression, where markets are present, the oppressed are able to live better lives.

The libertarian minority caucus: Fight against any positive reforms, fight for real libertarian capitalism!

 

[Nylock]

jesus christ

does that clown also still believe in santa and the tooth fairy?

 

[caleb]

Here's the grain of truth in that piece though, far more honest than anything a left-wing supporter of these concepts will admit:

These three concepts are all inherently individualist ones. They ask you only to remember that information asymmetries exist. People can not be treated homogenously, and suffer particular issues that are individual to them. We should act accordingly.

 

[Ungrateful]

Here's the grain of truth in that piece though, far more honest than anything a left-wing supporter of these concepts will admit:

I don't know any left-winger who is unaware of this. How odd that such an obvious principle, which appears to recognise that different people in different contexts require different (though often just subtley differet) norms and practices in order to thrive, should be used to justify the universal approval of market principles.

 

[Dillinger4]

I have nothing against Librarians.

 

[8ball]

I have nothing against Librarians.

Ssshhh!!

 

[Dillinger4]

The most help I've ever had from a librarian was silently pointing towards the exit.

true situationists

 

[Dillinger4]

jesus christ

does that clown also still believe in santa and the tooth fairy?

wait what are you trying to say?

 

[caleb]

I don't know any left-winger who is unaware of this. How odd that such an obvious principle, which appears to recognise that different people in different contexts require different (though often just subtley differet) norms and practices in order to thrive, should be used to justify the universal approval of market principles.

Read more carefully, "left-wing supporter of these concepts". Something like "checking your privilege" is an inherently liberal/individualist approach to racism, etc. and yet you'll find self-proclaimed 'communists' touting it.

 

[SpineyNorman]

I think that article could prove very useful.

 

[xenon]

Check your privilege agrovates me,as a phrase and what it seems to imply. But Anarcho Capatlists, right wing libertarians still strike me as either selfish immature brats, dressing there why can't I have XYZ in philosophical tinsel or sociopathic wankers.

 

[Delroy Booth]

Here is the Libertarian right taking up intersectionality/privilege politics

http://petespence.co.uk/why-libertarians-should-embrace-ideas-of-privilege-and-intersectionality

The libertarian minority caucus: Fight against any positive reforms, fight for real libertarian capitalism!

This is interesting. If you check back to the old debates between Edmund Burke and Tom Paine, the "revolution controversy" between Reflections on the Revolution in France and The Rights of Man, this is an interesting sub-argument where the political strands of conservatism and classical liberalism diverge from modern liberalism and democratic socialism. It's pretty much where the modern notions of left vs right come from. Edmund Burke was a reactionary classical liberal tosspiece who considered povetry to be a defect of the individual, Paine on the other hand considered poverty to be a product of society and the economy, something deliberately built into the economy and not an unavoidable fact of life based on the inadaquecy of the general population. Burke constantly individualises the roots of poverty whereas Paine looks at it structurally, and when I was reading some Burke for research related my luddite studies there's a number of quotes I underlined which, when read today, would be more than consistent with some versions of intersectionality that I see. The fact there's libertarians who have come to the same conclusion doesn't surprise me at all.

If you wanted to do a really rough "intersectionality is inherently conservative and reactionary" hitjob then you couldn't really start with a better place than Edmund Burke. I'm on Tom Paine's side myself.

 

[Casually Red]

i just hate the word libertarian

its like something Mr Darcy would accuse someone of

fops

 

[protesticals]

Amazed at the appalling postures of violence against such an irrelevant group. Really nasty talk of beating up kids who dare to have different viewpoints from you or me. What was more offensive was the attacks based on physical appearance. Like you lot are all Adonises and Aphrodites.
Since when have progressive people judged anyone on their physical attractiveness.

I also thought this thread was about libertarians and it turned into a rant about UKIP who are certainly not libertarians.

Whilst I don't share Libertarians economic policies their social policies are far more in line with mine and that certainly can't be compared to UKIP.

Some really nasty people here. I hope I meet some nice ones.

 

[butchersapron]

Oh lord, a whiney libertarian. This should be fun.

 

[protesticals]

As I said I am not a Libertarian. I am an anti-capitalist Green.

 

[chilango]

Still whining though.

 

[protesticals]

Still whining though.

Lovely to meet you . Are you an armchair body builder too?

Whining= What bullies call the protestations of weaker people.

 

[chilango]

Lovely to meet you . Are you an armchair body builder too?

Whining= What bullies call the protestations of weaker people.

Wut?

Armchair body builder? Huh huh.

You got issues.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Amazed at the appalling postures of violence against such an irrelevant group. Really nasty talk of beating up kids who dare to have different viewpoints from you or me. What was more offensive was the attacks based on physical appearance. Like you lot are all Adonises and Aphrodites.
Since when have progressive people judged anyone on their physical attractiveness.

I also thought this thread was about libertarians and it turned into a rant about UKIP who are certainly not libertarians.

Whilst I don't share Libertarians economic policies their social policies are far more in line with mine and that certainly can't be compared to UKIP.

Some really nasty people here. I hope I meet some nice ones.

oh look - another one who needs his legs breaking

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

I am an anti-capitalist Green.

Why doesn't that surprise me?

 

[emanymton]

oh look - another one who needs his legs breaking

Just his legs? Bloody liberal

 

[SpineyNorman]

protesticals, if you had to would you cull the working class to save the amazonian tree frog? I bet you would you rotter

 

[Dillinger4]

As I said I am not a Libertarian. I am an anti-capitalist Green.

oh dear.

 

[butchersapron]

As I said I am not a Libertarian. I am an anti-capitalist Green.

Green meaning what?

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Amazed at the appalling postures of violence against such an irrelevant group. Really nasty talk of beating up kids who dare to have different viewpoints from you or me. What was more offensive was the attacks based on physical appearance. Like you lot are all Adonises and Aphrodites.
Since when have progressive people judged anyone on their physical attractiveness.

I also thought this thread was about libertarians and it turned into a rant about UKIP who are certainly not libertarians.

Whilst I don't share Libertarians economic policies their social policies are far more in line with mine and that certainly can't be compared to UKIP.

Some really nasty people here. I hope I meet some nice ones.

They're not being judged on their attractiveness, they're being mocked for looking, dressing and posing like upper class tossers. They're also not being attacked for having 'different viewpoints' from anybody. They're being attacked for using their privileged backgrounds and/or privileged positions to promote policies and positions that are having/would have a deleterious impact on the poorest and most marginalised sections of society. Some of the talk is nasty. What goes around comes around.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Amazed at the appalling postures of violence against such an irrelevant group. Really nasty talk of beating up kids who dare to have different viewpoints from you or me. What was more offensive was the attacks based on physical appearance. Like you lot are all Adonises and Aphrodites.
Since when have progressive people judged anyone on their physical attractiveness.

Learn to punctuate. It makes your sentences slightly more relevant and coherent.

I also thought this thread was about libertarians and it turned into a rant about UKIP who are certainly not libertarians.

By whose definition?
It's certainly the case that part of UKIP's roots are in the Libertarian Alliance, and that UKIP's leader was one of the founders of the Libertarian Alliance, so perhaps you need to add a little historical perspective to your knowledge base?

Whilst I don't share Libertarians economic policies their social policies are far more in line with mine and that certainly can't be compared to UKIP.

Which social policies would they be? Left-libertarian; right-libertarian; anarcho-capitalist? What?

Some really nasty people here. I hope I meet some nice ones.

Pfft.

 

[ViolentPanda]

As I said I am not a Libertarian. I am an anti-capitalist Green.

So you're a liberal with enough of a guilt complex to be ecologically-minded.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Why doesn't that surprise me?

The politics of the tortured middle class.

You know, the ones who're not quite so tortured that they want to do anything immediate or to-the-point like protesting social conditions, so they stick with being green and "sticking it to the man" by calling themselves "anti-capitalists", while sipping a latte and wanking about with an iPad/iPod/iPenis.