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I'd happily subscribe to Liberal Social Minarchism, where the state must confine itself to providing welfare, healthcare, education and public parks etc. 
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butchersapron
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Here you go.I'd happily subscribe to Liberal Social Minarchism, where the state must confine itself to providing welfare, healthcare, education and public parks etc.
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I don't want them getting their mucky hands all over my unrealizable utopia thanks very much. Government is inflationary because life is, by it's nature, also inflationary. Any government responsive to the lives of it's people will probably not be minarchist. Could be wrong mind.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Minarchist, monarchist, manarchist oh it's all so confusing.
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nino_savatte
No pasaran!
A libertarian is someone who thinks the State shouldn't be doing something that you think it should.
It might also help if you think of Libertarians as minarchists - that the government should only do what is absolutely necessary.
In other words, the government would exist to rubber stamp the diktats of corporations and to oversee the repressive functions of the state. Yeah, great idea that.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Tell us, is Cameron still a libertarian socialist then?A libertarian is someone who thinks the State shouldn't be doing something that you think it should.
It might also help if you think of Libertarians as minarchists - that the government should only do what is absolutely necessary.
No, that would be rule by corporations, something to which Libertarians would be opposed.
I think he's a prat.
nino_savatte
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Such a government would be powerless to stop monopolies. I mean what would it do? Create laws to prevent them from forming? Of course it could choose to look the other way. I'm sure the lure of money to lubricate the wheels of state will be too much of a temptation for 'legislators' to resist, since the protection of capitalistic interests would be at the heart of any such government's thinking... even if its proponents like to say otherwise.
The social aspect of society will always play second fiddle to money in the LOLibertarian dystopia that you propose. Social relations are already well marketised as it is and that process can only accelerate in minarchist world. Does everything have to have a price tag attached to it?
nino_savatte
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I reckon their parents never set boundaries. They're still in the "it's mine" phase of toddlerhood.
Quite possibly, but the people are a different matter.
nino_savatte
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Touchingly naive.
Don't ask me to defend Libertarianism. I may have certain libertarian tendencies, like free speech, but overall, I'm not one.
lets call the whole thing off
Meltingpot
Living in our pools we soon forget about the sea
A libertarian is someone who thinks the State shouldn't be doing something that you think it should.
It might also help if you think of Libertarians as minarchists - that the government should only do what is absolutely necessary.
Which everyone would agree with - the problem comes in deciding what is "absolutely necessary." We're all libertarians when it comes to the government doing things we don't like or see the point of it doing.
Imagine a world in which all rights are derived from property rights. The ownership of a thing is all that matters and you have absolute freedom to do what you want with that thing, subject to its non-interference with another's property rights.
Regardless of the background of libertarianism, the above is what it seems to boil down to again and again.
Regardless of the background of libertarianism, the above is what it seems to boil down to again and again.
Hence my first line.
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I don't think that's a useful or enlightening point, you may as well say we're all communists in a way depending on where you draw the line re the government role in public versus private goods. Words mean what they mean or they become so much useless vaguery, Libertarianism as used in meaningful conversation, like other political ideologies with a label, is a set of interrelated principals that you either subscribe to or don't.
For instance, I don't see the government spewing billions on invading someone elses country and taking away their rights in various direct or indirect ways is a good thing in terms of our tax money or in terms of morality, and yet I am certainly not a libertarian.
