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Lib Dem Polls - How Low Can They Go?

ffs even if put certain people on ignore (which I've never done) it doesn't stop them trashing a thread I was enjoying lurking! :mad:

The thing in my life I regret most so far is voting libdem, I don't think I'm alone - i felt dirty at the time and now I feel like the contents of Oaten's briefcase/Cleggs mail room :(:facepalm:

Looks like 10% is the floor so far then, any better than Gadaffi's current numbers??
 
wreckhead said:
ffs even if put certain people on ignore (which I've never done) it doesn't stop them trashing a thread I was enjoying lurking! :mad:

The thing in my life I regret most so far is voting libdem, I don't think I'm alone - i felt dirty at the time and now I feel like the contents of Oaten's briefcase/Cleggs mail room :(:facepalm:

Looks like 10% is the floor so far then, any better than Gadaffi's current numbers??
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Who are you to be telling?
 
frogwoman said:
see you didnt answer my question - what things did the party do/say recently that you don't like moon? I'll give you my list if you give me yours.
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The main thing for me recently was the compromise on control orders, being turned into surveillance orders. I would have liked to have seen them push harder to get scrapped. I also think the tuition fee system could have been weighted more to ensure the rich have an early repayment penalty like you might on a mortgage. I also think that the Department for Communities and Local Government had too much of it's budget taken away. I would have preferred to see a withdrawal from Afghanistan, and the overseas aid budget being cut in-line with other departments.

I'm sure there are other things as well.
 
shagnasty said:
moon favourite man is becoming a figure of fun

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/mar/01/nick-clegg-nightmare-question-time
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Labour take a particular delight in knocking the Lib Dems at the moment, I don't care that much. To be honest I’m just glad to see lot's of their illiberal legislation being removed from the statute books.

At some point they will might realise in simply stealing Lib Dem votes they haven't tackled the Conservative swing votes. This is their big strategic mistake.
 
moon23 said:
Labour take a particular delight in knocking the Lib Dems at the moment, I don't care that much. To be honest I’m just glad to see lot's of their illiberal legislation being removed from the statute books.

At some point they will might realise in simply stealing Lib Dem votes they haven't tackled the Conservative swing votes. This is their big strategic mistake.
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a strategic mistake that's done what to labour's poll ratings vs the lib dems strategic masterstrokes that have done what to theirs?

not that I'm really one to talk about strategic mistakes mind given how badly wrong my cunning plan to keep the tories out has gone.:rolleyes::mad:
 
moon23 said:
At some point they will might realise in simply stealing Lib Dem votes they haven't tackled the Conservative swing votes. This is their big strategic mistake.
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HUH??15 %age points up since the GE? ALL of them from disillusioned libdems?
err, yeah, sure.....
 
moon23 said:
Even if the Lib Dems had tried to secure some rainbow alliance with Labour then we would be looking at implementing Darling's economic plan that involved £14Bn of cuts, only £2Bn less then the coalition.
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Disingenuous twat.
The difference wasn't only in volume, but in the taper of application. The Labour cuts would at least have held off cutting until the economy was in sustained recovery, thus minimising the risk of stagnation or recession.
 
free spirit said:
a strategic mistake that's done what to labour's poll ratings vs the lib dems strategic masterstrokes that have done what to theirs?

not that I'm really one to talk about strategic mistakes mind given how badly wrong my cunning plan to keep the tories out has gone.:rolleyes::mad:
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But you can come back. People like this loon can't.
 
moon23 said:
Labour take a particular delight in knocking the Lib Dems at the moment, I don't care that much. To be honest I’m just glad to see lot's of their illiberal legislation being removed from the statute books.

At some point they will might realise in simply stealing Lib Dem votes they haven't tackled the Conservative swing votes. This is their big strategic mistake.
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Yeah, it's barely getting to you.
 
moon23 said:
The poorest have been attacked by a benefits sysem that punishes work...
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A phrase lifted wholesale from Iain Duncan Shit and his boss Donny Cameron, and one that can't actually be sustained if you have anything more than a basic knowledge of the welfare system.

....and a global economic recession.
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There is no "global economic recession", you gimp. There's a downturn globally, with patches of recession. Those patches are generally in states whose economic policies have exacerbated their local economic problems.

The Lib Dems are ensuring the poorest pay less tax by increasing the tax allowance.
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Wow, that will really make the difference! :facepalm:
 
moon23 said:
The poorest have been attacked by a benefits sysem that punishes work, and a global economic recession. The Lib Dems are ensuring the poorest pay less tax by increasing the tax allowance.
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This is false. The bottom third of earners will be paying more tax because VAT has been increased to pay for this supposed lowering of the tax bill. The tax burden has been re-distributed in favour of indirect taxation, disadvantaging the poorest.
 
moon23 said:
Face it socialist lost the economic arguments long ago. Even the the moderate left views of Labour were defeated in the election.
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New Labour were hardly "the moderate left", which is one of the reasons why they lost the election.

When all three main parties are retailing the same socio-economic policies, albeit in slightly different wrappers, one bunch of worthless neo-liberal gobshite goat-fuckers is much the same as the next.
 
moon's just a voter, one of the few per cent left who will vote for that shower again.

Speaking to Lib Dem councillors yesterday (licensing hearing, dull dull dull) they're trying to get some distance between themselves and moons beloved saviours of the economy.

moon23 said:
Most recessions have some form of double-dip I wouldn’t draw any conclusions from such a short-term indicator.
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Dip in growth yes, but there's never been a full on double dip recession. If Aprils figures show less than 0% growth, we'll be the first country to actually economically MANAGE its way into a recession. The 'austerity' myth is being exploded as our fellow EU countries demonstrated quarter on quarter growth during 2010. The U.K was showing increasing growth until the end of the second quarter when suddenly we had a decline, 1.1% to 0.7% - -0.6% (or -0.1% if you take the line and sinker) That means from June last year to now, our economy has contracted by 1.7% in the last TWO quarters of growth. Quarters defined by government cuts to expenditure and rising taxation (of those who aren't filthy loaded or avoiding paying).

God knows what the North Africa/Middle Eastern situation's going do with oil prices rising. Your party, your coalition, haven't got a clue how to fix it.
 
moon23 said:
Labour take a particular delight in knocking the Lib Dems at the moment, I don't care that much. To be honest I’m just glad to see lot's of their illiberal legislation being removed from the statute books.

At some point they will might realise in simply stealing Lib Dem votes they haven't tackled the Conservative swing votes. This is their big strategic mistake.
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Anyone with any sense knocks the Lib Dems. You should read the Daily Telegraph: they knock the Lib Dems too. :D Whichever way you turn, you're fucked. Come the next general election, the Lib Dems will lose all those seats that Chatshow Charlie worked so hard to win. It's taxi time for the Lib Dems! :D
 
moon23 said:
The main thing for me recently was the compromise on control orders, being turned into surveillance orders. I would have liked to have seen them push harder to get scrapped. I also think the tuition fee system could have been weighted more to ensure the rich have an early repayment penalty like you might on a mortgage. I also think that the Department for Communities and Local Government had too much of it's budget taken away. I would have preferred to see a withdrawal from Afghanistan, and the overseas aid budget being cut in-line with other departments.

I'm sure there are other things as well.
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ok here's mine, there's a few things i don't like about the sp, i don't 100% agree with their position on israel and palestine being two states which in the long term imo is unviable, i think sometimes they are a bit too uncritical of some of the leading trade union leaders (although tbf they don't really need to be at the moment), i think the cwi's decision to give support (albeit critical support) to ralph nader in the US general election was "questionable", and also their attitude re: tommy sheridan which is a bit too hard line on the idea that he's innocent, given some of the things i have read about him on here and elsewhere.

however i think there's a difference because it is not in power, and your party is. therefore your partys opinions aren't simply opinions (not that anyone's ever is and arguable the things i've described above have probably had a somewhat negative effect, the whole sheridan debacle as a whole has had a really bad impact on the whole of the scottish left). your party is in power. the influence that your parties decisions are having are influencing millions of people's lives in an extremely negative manner. your party did not have to prop up david cameron or shamelessly lie and backtrack on all its election pledges and deliberately lie and decieve people. turfing people out of homes for earning too much is a violent act. cutting people's means of survival off is a violent act adn that is not even mentioning the hundreds of thousands of jobs that will go as a result of your party's actions.

When we criticise the lib dems we aren't just stating a preference about political opinions, we are criticising ACTIONS, which is something you do not get, or do not choose to get. If we were saying some bloke that agreed with the lib-dems should get shit posted through his letterbox then you would have a point but we are discussing someone here who is wielding political power and carrying out actions due to this position of power.

do you see it now?
 
moon23 said:
Labour take a particular delight in knocking the Lib Dems at the moment, I don't care that much. To be honest I’m just glad to see lot's of their illiberal legislation being removed from the statute books.

At some point they will might realise in simply stealing Lib Dem votes they haven't tackled the Conservative swing votes. This is their big strategic mistake.
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And replaced with lib-dem illiberal legislation. You disingenuous eejit.
 
Balbi said:
moon's just a voter, one of the few per cent left who will vote for that shower again.

Speaking to Lib Dem councillors yesterday (licensing hearing, dull dull dull) they're trying to get some distance between themselves and moons beloved saviours of the economy.



Dip in growth yes, but there's never been a full on double dip recession. If Aprils figures show less than 0% growth, we'll be the first country to actually economically MANAGE its way into a recession. The 'austerity' myth is being exploded as our fellow EU countries demonstrated quarter on quarter growth during 2010. The U.K was showing increasing growth until the end of the second quarter when suddenly we had a decline, 1.1% to 0.7% - -0.6% (or -0.1% if you take the line and sinker) That means from June last year to now, our economy has contracted by 1.7% in the last TWO quarters of growth. Quarters defined by government cuts to expenditure and rising taxation (of those who aren't filthy loaded or avoiding paying).

God knows what the North Africa/Middle Eastern situation's going do with oil prices rising. Your party, your coalition, haven't got a clue how to fix it.
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Yep the local lib dems here are desperately trying to put some distance between them and the tories.
 
moon23 said:
The poorest have been attacked by a benefits sysem that punishes work, and a global economic recession. The Lib Dems are ensuring the poorest pay less tax by increasing the tax allowance.
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The poorest will continue to be worse off with the universal credit, especially because there won't be any jobs to go for and people whom tax credits have helped a little bit will suddenly be told to look for a (in some cases another) job (stay at home parents/ part time workers). Also anyone sick and disabled is being fucked, but this started under Labour.
 
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