Lewisham A&E under threat + campaign
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This was the best banner for a whole host of different reasons
I took my son along who was born in lewisham hospital two weeks earlier, was only able to hang around in ladywell fields in the rain for about half an hour before he was screaming for feeding
I took my son along who was born in lewisham hospital two weeks earlier, was only able to hang around in ladywell fields in the rain for about half an hour before he was screaming for feeding
love detective
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a lewisham labour councillor has written to bruce springsten to ask him for permission to use his song born in the usa with the words changed to born in the nhs - should have asked tyler first i reckon
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Puddy_Tat
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Special Administrator has pretty much recommended the original plan, despite the 'consultation'
report here
There's a surprise.
ETA
incredibly shit article in the grauniad here
and get ready for protest march No. 2 on Saturday 26 January
report here
There's a surprise.
ETA
incredibly shit article in the grauniad here
and get ready for protest march No. 2 on Saturday 26 January
dynamicbaddog
run for your life
BBC Question Time is being filmed at Goldsmiths college tomorrow and there's going to be a protest organised by the Save the Hospital campaign . 5.30pm outside the Richard Hoggart Building
http://www.facebook.com/events/124525711046216/
http://www.facebook.com/events/124525711046216/
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i can (and will) make it to that... thanks
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Me too.
Question Time panel is Tory maniac Nadine Dorries, LibDem no-mark Ed Davey, Labour insurance-advertising dog John Prescott, Big Issue bloke John Bird, and (IIRC) some editor from The Times.
Question Time panel is Tory maniac Nadine Dorries, LibDem no-mark Ed Davey, Labour insurance-advertising dog John Prescott, Big Issue bloke John Bird, and (IIRC) some editor from The Times.
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Well, noise was made...200 people i reckon...i do find demos depressing though...just makes me feel powerless shouting on deaf ears...hopes are that the next demo on the 26th will be bigger than the first, but so what if it is? *sigh
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did anything worth watching happen on the show?
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Just posted on brockley central
Hundreds of people gathered outside the recording of BBC One's Question Time at Goldsmiths tonight in protest against the threatened closure of Lewisham Hospital's A&E department. Let's see if it's had the desired effect and influenced the debate this evening. The show starts at 10.35pm.
22:31 - BBC London has reported the protest ahead of the broadcast.
22:36 - It's started. Not sure Dorries and Prescott are who we'd have wished for to give this issue the spotlight we need, but the Goldsmiths crowd will have to cut their cloth accordingly.
22:40 - Dorries did at least acknowledge the issue on Twitter, saying that locals are worried about traffic problems. That's not the point in BC's view - it's the fact that a population of 250,000 and counting will have no A&E ward and we're being told to use a relatively poor service in Woolwich instead.
22:43 - In the comments, Sue reports that the audience were told the issue was too local to debate. So here's hoping someone managed something like "Do the panel agree with the disastrous decision to close vital services at Lewisham Hospital in light of the delightful news that Kanye West and Kim Kardashian are expecting a baby?"
22:48 - "Hospitals" just got a mention. That might be all we get...
22:50 - Prescott: "something, something, tax avoidance, something, something, Tories." Incoherent ramble nonetheless manages to draw a rousing round of applause. Unlikely to endear Jeremy Hunt to Lewisham.
22:56 - Dorries quoting accurate employment stats and being frowned at by man in audience for suggesting that the private sector is doing a good job at creating jobs.
23:02 - It's a shame QT felt the need to go back to the well about whether Dorries should have gone on IACGMOOH. No, of course not. Move on. It is not an interesting question. There are hospitals to be saved. Still, good bit of sarcasm from the guy in the crowd who expressed sympathy for her crowded summer schedule.
23:12 - Still talking about Dorries. Prescott reminds us of his flirtation with celebrity. I've said it before and I'll say it again: democracy simply doesn't work.
23:13 - "David Cameron claimed the NHS was safe in his hands. Given the cuts and closures, is this still the case?" Well done that woman. Dimbleby explains the accompanying cheers were about Lewisham A&E.
23:14 - Ed Davey - one of the best ministers around - spells out the issue nicely and says he's alarmed. Notes he fought similar issues in his constituency.
23:15 - Davey says he's opposed to it but won't pre-judge the Health Sec's decision. Fair enough.
23:17 - Woman in audience says views of local people have been ignored. "Brand new facilities will be sold off under this plan."
23:19 - to his great discredit, Dimbleby doing his best to move the debate on to the general question about the A&E. So instead of a real, issue that can be dissected to show what health care policy looks like in practice, we can have more vapid soundbites. Even Dorries is happy to move it back to Lewisham - blaming Labour PFI. Dorries says Lewisham is a good hospital.
23:21 - Dimbleby asks how it can be fair that Lewisham can be sacrificed to save worse hospitals. Dorries (attempting to have a go at Labour) says it isn't fair. Says she's opposed to it and will relay the messages of the protesters to Hunt.
23:22 - Ed Davey says local Lib Dems are campaigning against the proposal.
23:23 - Canny man in the audience presents this issue as a test of whether the NHS is safe in the hands of this government. That's got to be the approach. Make this a litmus test.
23:24 - Camilla Cavendish says she's been speaking to Lewisham doctors. Says that we risk rewarding bad management. Solvent, good care at risk. She says that Hunt should give Lewisham management wider responsibilities rather than shutting it down.
23:26 - This is great. John Bird raises the question of whether Lewisham is being hit because it's a left-leaning place. Says it may be a scurrilous accusation, but one he's happy to raise on national TV.
23.32 - The combined efforts of protesters, doctors and the audience ensured that the Lewisham Hospital issue was dealt with properly tonight. All sides came out in favour of saving the hospital and the political stakes have just been raised for Hunt.
Hundreds of people gathered outside the recording of BBC One's Question Time at Goldsmiths tonight in protest against the threatened closure of Lewisham Hospital's A&E department. Let's see if it's had the desired effect and influenced the debate this evening. The show starts at 10.35pm.
22:31 - BBC London has reported the protest ahead of the broadcast.
22:36 - It's started. Not sure Dorries and Prescott are who we'd have wished for to give this issue the spotlight we need, but the Goldsmiths crowd will have to cut their cloth accordingly.
22:40 - Dorries did at least acknowledge the issue on Twitter, saying that locals are worried about traffic problems. That's not the point in BC's view - it's the fact that a population of 250,000 and counting will have no A&E ward and we're being told to use a relatively poor service in Woolwich instead.
22:43 - In the comments, Sue reports that the audience were told the issue was too local to debate. So here's hoping someone managed something like "Do the panel agree with the disastrous decision to close vital services at Lewisham Hospital in light of the delightful news that Kanye West and Kim Kardashian are expecting a baby?"
22:48 - "Hospitals" just got a mention. That might be all we get...
22:50 - Prescott: "something, something, tax avoidance, something, something, Tories." Incoherent ramble nonetheless manages to draw a rousing round of applause. Unlikely to endear Jeremy Hunt to Lewisham.
22:56 - Dorries quoting accurate employment stats and being frowned at by man in audience for suggesting that the private sector is doing a good job at creating jobs.
23:02 - It's a shame QT felt the need to go back to the well about whether Dorries should have gone on IACGMOOH. No, of course not. Move on. It is not an interesting question. There are hospitals to be saved. Still, good bit of sarcasm from the guy in the crowd who expressed sympathy for her crowded summer schedule.
23:12 - Still talking about Dorries. Prescott reminds us of his flirtation with celebrity. I've said it before and I'll say it again: democracy simply doesn't work.
23:13 - "David Cameron claimed the NHS was safe in his hands. Given the cuts and closures, is this still the case?" Well done that woman. Dimbleby explains the accompanying cheers were about Lewisham A&E.
23:14 - Ed Davey - one of the best ministers around - spells out the issue nicely and says he's alarmed. Notes he fought similar issues in his constituency.
23:15 - Davey says he's opposed to it but won't pre-judge the Health Sec's decision. Fair enough.
23:17 - Woman in audience says views of local people have been ignored. "Brand new facilities will be sold off under this plan."
23:19 - to his great discredit, Dimbleby doing his best to move the debate on to the general question about the A&E. So instead of a real, issue that can be dissected to show what health care policy looks like in practice, we can have more vapid soundbites. Even Dorries is happy to move it back to Lewisham - blaming Labour PFI. Dorries says Lewisham is a good hospital.
23:21 - Dimbleby asks how it can be fair that Lewisham can be sacrificed to save worse hospitals. Dorries (attempting to have a go at Labour) says it isn't fair. Says she's opposed to it and will relay the messages of the protesters to Hunt.
23:22 - Ed Davey says local Lib Dems are campaigning against the proposal.
23:23 - Canny man in the audience presents this issue as a test of whether the NHS is safe in the hands of this government. That's got to be the approach. Make this a litmus test.
23:24 - Camilla Cavendish says she's been speaking to Lewisham doctors. Says that we risk rewarding bad management. Solvent, good care at risk. She says that Hunt should give Lewisham management wider responsibilities rather than shutting it down.
23:26 - This is great. John Bird raises the question of whether Lewisham is being hit because it's a left-leaning place. Says it may be a scurrilous accusation, but one he's happy to raise on national TV.
23.32 - The combined efforts of protesters, doctors and the audience ensured that the Lewisham Hospital issue was dealt with properly tonight. All sides came out in favour of saving the hospital and the political stakes have just been raised for Hunt.
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Extarct from Transpontine
Lewisham Hospital became the dominant issue on the programme. Kate Hennessy kicked off the debate by asking 'David Cameron claimed the NHS was safe in his hands, given the cuts and closures around the country is this still the case?' For this she got a huge cheer from the audience, prompting David Dimbleby to explain for the benefit of TV viewers that Lewisham Hospital services were under threat. All the panellists mentioned Lewisham specifically, and indeed there were several mentions of the protest outside the programme.
Interestingly, even Davey (a Government minister) appeared to give his backing to the campaign against closures while Dorries said: 'I hope it is saved'. A supplementary question gave full vent to local anger, explaining how the views of clinicians, GPs and the community had been ignored. Local paediatrician Dr Ajay Sharma, from the audience, criticised the Lewisham plans and the wider changes the Government was introducing into the NHS. So Lewisham Hospital is now firmly on the national policy agenda - where it belongs - as a key test of whether the NHS is safe or not.
http://transpont.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/bbc-question-time-in-new-cross.html
Lewisham Hospital became the dominant issue on the programme. Kate Hennessy kicked off the debate by asking 'David Cameron claimed the NHS was safe in his hands, given the cuts and closures around the country is this still the case?' For this she got a huge cheer from the audience, prompting David Dimbleby to explain for the benefit of TV viewers that Lewisham Hospital services were under threat. All the panellists mentioned Lewisham specifically, and indeed there were several mentions of the protest outside the programme.
Interestingly, even Davey (a Government minister) appeared to give his backing to the campaign against closures while Dorries said: 'I hope it is saved'. A supplementary question gave full vent to local anger, explaining how the views of clinicians, GPs and the community had been ignored. Local paediatrician Dr Ajay Sharma, from the audience, criticised the Lewisham plans and the wider changes the Government was introducing into the NHS. So Lewisham Hospital is now firmly on the national policy agenda - where it belongs - as a key test of whether the NHS is safe or not.
http://transpont.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/bbc-question-time-in-new-cross.html
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If you were wondering why the demo was moved to the back of the building, out of sight of the main road, and out of earshot of the panel & audience, and before filming had started, it was because the self-appointed 'leaders' of the campaign were worried about losing control of the protest. Happy days.
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Decent photos from Demotix:
http://www.demotix.com/news/1717718...al-outside-bbc-tv-question-time#media-1717665
.... and a "where's Wally?"-style challenge for anyone to spot me in one of them.
http://www.demotix.com/news/1717718...al-outside-bbc-tv-question-time#media-1717665
.... and a "where's Wally?"-style challenge for anyone to spot me in one of them.
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hmmm yeah, was the megaphone man from the SWP? Though I thought the final trod to the back fence was already after filming had begun (8pm I was told? I didnt get down till after work or so 7.30).
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I was in the pub by 7.45, and was told that filming hadn't started yet. Hard to know, though.hmmm yeah, was the megaphone man from the SWP? Though I thought the final trod to the back fence was already after filming had begun (8pm I was told? I didnt get down till after work or so 7.30).
I'm not sure if H (megaphone man) is in the SWP or not, tbh. I suspect not, as I've seen him about lots, but never seen him selling the paper. He's certainly involved in Lewisham People Before Profit (he was one of the people most vocal in covering for Ray Woolford [one of PBP's leading lights] when he fired the workers from one of his businesses for union organising). IIRC, he's the "secretary" of the campaign; the chair is SWP.
oryx
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"David Cameron claimed the NHS was safe in his hands. Given the cuts and closures, is this still the case?"
Have emailed Jeremy Hunt (boy did I need to spell check that email before pressing 'send'
) on the same lines.
Definitely want to attend the demo on 26 Jan.
Have emailed Jeremy Hunt (boy did I need to spell check that email before pressing 'send'
) on the same lines.Definitely want to attend the demo on 26 Jan.
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Meanwhile, it emerges that closing down the A&E will only cost £195 million 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/13/lewisham-hospital-fury-bill-closure
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/13/lewisham-hospital-fury-bill-closure
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Insanity. As it says in the comments "Lewisham Hospital, in a London borough that has 3 Labour MPs, is to suffer cuts because the Princess Royal Hospital in the London Borough of Bromley (3 Tory MPs) has an incompetent PFI trust" <this must be a factor.
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feels like theres more momentum getting behind the campaign...38 degrees have jumped on it, https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/page/speakout/nhs-save-lewisham-hospital-speakout severl bloggers, seen coverage from several bloggers and i think solfed have written a piece arguing for direct action http://www.solfed.org.uk/?q=south-london/want-to-save-lewisham-hospital-take-direct-action though the solfed site is now mysteriously down
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Now mysteriously back up again, so the link works. 
Don't all click at once.
Don't all click at once.
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so looks like they (SOFLED) are calling for direct action after the announcement is made. Not sure about this - i think its better before the announcement myself. Once the announcement is made changing it in response to direct action would seem like "giving in to terrorism" etc. A bit of NVDA in the week preceding wouldn't go amiss.
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There's already stuff going on before the announcement:
http://transpont.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/lewisham-hospital-protest-at-department.html
.... and I'm sure that if SolFed had called the thing outside the Department of Health, there would just have been fewer people & more cops.
http://transpont.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/lewisham-hospital-protest-at-department.html
.... and I'm sure that if SolFed had called the thing outside the Department of Health, there would just have been fewer people & more cops.
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There's already stuff going on before the announcement:
http://transpont.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/lewisham-hospital-protest-at-department.html
.... and I'm sure that if SolFed had called the thing outside the Department of Health, there would just have been fewer people & more cops.
just seen this, you got here first.
Mums and buggies protest at DoH Tuesday
and good on Millwall (as a Charlton fan it's not often I say that)
(from above mentioned Transpontine piece)
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I see that one of the Millwall players is masked up. That's the spirit. 
cesare
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I see that one of the Millwall players is masked up. That's the spirit.
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