KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
I can hear the sound of a [political] axe being ground.
Why bother with an axe just let Jasper the Grasper condemn himself out of his own mouth and by his own actions.
Lee (grapser?) Jasper resigns
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Why bother with an axe just let Jasper the Grasper condemn himself out of his own mouth and by his own actions.
untethered
For industry & decency
Call me old fashioned, but I thought the point of public servants was to provide public services, not to wind up anyone's opponents.
Eh?If you're suggesting that one can get a lawyer to take a defamation case on a no win, no fee basis, you're wrong, it doesn't work that way.
I was asking a question, not being an expert in libel process.
What about the rest of the point about winning the arguement by proving the Standard are talking utter shit.
That's the best way and entirely open to Jasper regardless of his financial situation.
Then maybe Livingstone can get back to what he should be doing, keeping the Tories out of the mayors office.
I think you might be missing the point a bit. It's not that the money went to minority groups, it's the process of choosing which groups to award money to. There are plenty of minority groups who could do with funding.
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
That IS a public service.
Anything that provides voices for those not normally heard is a public service. The fact that this winds up those in power is a sign of the system's failure to represent everyone equally.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Yawn. You're like a broken record, KBJ...a broken record with no other interests apart from your hatred of Ken and Lee Jaspuh.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
He'd still need bags of dosh to fund it though. I don't think Michael Mansfield QC would take the case on for free. He'd have to set up a legal fund and even then, there's no guarantee that he will be able to raise enough money.
coccinelle
Active Member
I agree too. This is all pennies compared to what the professional creamers (mostly in the political/legal professions) get.
That's really not the point is it.
Let's all turn a blind eye cos it was under a £1m
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
Thats totally unfair and you know it - I hate the SWP as well.
and your love of 4x4's
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
sue for libel to try to prove what is essentially an unproveable? hardly makes sense does it, newspapers know it, which is why they''re often so free and easy with what they print.
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
why let the facts get in the way of more prejudiced bollocks eh? jasper didn't administer the distribution of any public money - he was an adviser on race, primarily as i understand it because of a large number of contacts in black communities.
the allegations of impropriety stem from his supposed/actual connections with organisations that did recieve funding thru lda mainly. which the cops said weren't criminal anyways. and as an adviser with a number of contacts in the black community, its inevitable that he will have relations with people receiving funding under diversity programmes as well.
but i don't really know why i bother arguing with you, its quite clear what your underlying agenda is, i just find it quite pitiful that someone so allegedly in tune with his jewish roots would support a rag like the standard is this affair, with its well known dodgy history.
Thats not quite it though is it? He failed to declare he was involved with organisations that received money when he clearly had influence over who got the cash, recommended an organisation receive money when it appears he was having a relationship with the person in charge of it and I think some other stuff I can't be bothered to look up. If he's not corrupt then he is an idiot.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
I think he's got about 9 kids. Just for info purposes.
Very few people can "afford" to sue for Libel, it's the preserve of millionaire slebs, usually - in fact there are so few cases now I presume even they shy away from it.
That's a pretty serious charge. Got any evidence for it other than what you've read in the Evening Standard?
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
having a connection with an organisation is demonstrably different from administering the distribution of said money, which is what kbj alleges. and yes, i do think jasper was probably very stupid for not thinking these things through and yes, as i have said repeatedly on this issue, i think there should be far greater scrutiny of how the lda uses its funds and how the monitoring of the use of these funds is analysed and tracked. there needs to be far greater transparency and accountability within city hall and in london government generally.
but to somehow claim that one guy is the villian, when in fact it is the whole edifice that is patently at fault, is misleading imo, and clearly part of a strategy to try and ensure that boris gets his grubby mitts on the top job, under some guise of seeking the truth. and the fact that it has been black organisations targetted has lead people to allege some pretty distasteful undercurrents to this campaign - remember the lda fund hundreds, if not thousands of different projects, covering all kinds of things - do you really believe that they are all squeaky clean?
.. isn't the whole "enemy of my enemy is my friend" stuff how we ended up with islamo-trot respect bollocks....
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
I suppose. I never voted for them though, so I'm not taking the blame for that.
Dave Osler on his blog makes some very salient points, imo, if he is guilty then WLOTL should accept that and not make excuses, simply crying racism every time just won't wash.
http://www.davidosler.com/2008/03/lee_jasper_a_case_to_answer.html#comments
http://www.davidosler.com/2008/03/lee_jasper_a_case_to_answer.html#comments
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
"wlotl"?
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
for a self-publicist, that's pretty rubbish imo. vaguely literate, very boring, next!
JHE
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If the media 'attacks' on Mr Jasper (mainly reports in the Evening Standard) were really racist, I'm sure the doughty anti-racist, Mr Jasper, would have stayed in post in order to 'fight' racism.
The reports are not racist. They are of two sorts:
- Most have been muck-raking over Mr Jasper's doings and GLA money. That's good. An important justification for having a free press is to expose serious naughtiness - including financial naughtiness - among politicians and public servants.
- The rest, AFAICS, expose some flirtatious emails he sent to someone who runs the 1990 Trust (a publicly-funded 'anti-racist' thingy that runs the Blink site).
The only justification for the second, from my POV, is that Mr Jasper's employer gives money to the 1990 Trust on Mr Jasper's advice. That is, it is justified only insofar as it also fits into the first category of anti-Jasper reports. I don't think - and I bet most people here don't think - that Mr Jasper's middle-aged flirtations are worthy of media attention unless there is a hint of possible corruption.
Frankly, I doubt that Mr Jasper's flirtation is the explanation for his support for the 1990 Trust. I think the 1990 Trust is just the sort of outfit to which Mr Jasper and his boss, Mr Islamingstone, would want to give bundles of dosh, even if there were not some supposedly fanciable woman involved.
The reports are not racist. They are of two sorts:
- Most have been muck-raking over Mr Jasper's doings and GLA money. That's good. An important justification for having a free press is to expose serious naughtiness - including financial naughtiness - among politicians and public servants.
- The rest, AFAICS, expose some flirtatious emails he sent to someone who runs the 1990 Trust (a publicly-funded 'anti-racist' thingy that runs the Blink site).
The only justification for the second, from my POV, is that Mr Jasper's employer gives money to the 1990 Trust on Mr Jasper's advice. That is, it is justified only insofar as it also fits into the first category of anti-Jasper reports. I don't think - and I bet most people here don't think - that Mr Jasper's middle-aged flirtations are worthy of media attention unless there is a hint of possible corruption.
Frankly, I doubt that Mr Jasper's flirtation is the explanation for his support for the 1990 Trust. I think the 1990 Trust is just the sort of outfit to which Mr Jasper and his boss, Mr Islamingstone, would want to give bundles of dosh, even if there were not some supposedly fanciable woman involved.
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
this time with grammar and meaning maybe?
JHE
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this time with grammar and meaning maybe?
At your prompting, I have reread my post. I see no grammatical problem with it at all and cannot imagine how you have difficulty understanding the meaning of any part of it.
If you would like to be a bit more specific about what you don't understand, I might try to help - though I suspect you are just pretending not to understand.
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
JHE
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No. I welcome media reports of what is done with public money.
I am making no allegation. If you want to rebut the reports in the media, go ahead. You do not need me as an intermediary.
Mr Jasper, on the other hand, does make an allegation. The silly sausage claims that reports about him are a Ray Cyst campaign. That's bollocks - and, as I said, he would not have resigned if they had been Ray Cyst.
Indeed. See my earlier post, which you pretended not to understand.
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
so what has been done with public money then? put up or shut up as far as specific allegations are concerned. the whole system of elected politicians is corrupt, open to undue influence and obviously affected by relationships between 'powerful' individuals. care to share the difference?
JHE
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A counsel of despair! No, I don't accept that democracy is necessarily corrupt.
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
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