SpamMisery
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I will "flag the issue" up with my team is just a variation of "I will take it under advisement" as Hans Gruber said during the Nakatomi Plaza siege of 1988
Lambeth Country Show, Brockwell Park, Saturday 21 & Sunday 22 July 2018
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I will "flag the issue" up with my team is just a variation of "I will take it under advisement" as Hans Gruber said during the Nakatomi Plaza siege of 1988
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Brixton Hill
As I recall, that didn't end too well for Hans. Hopefully Jonathan doesn't suffer the same fate.
Tricky Skills
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Nope. Because this then gives the Council the impression that there is an agreed consensus to make a financial donation. I personally would be happy to chip something in. But not everyone can afford to do this. There should have been an option for those in this position.
You mean like make it voluntary?
Tricky Skills
Well-Known Member
Well done you.
I understand you are being sarcastic but don’t understand why
BusLanes
Pedestrian
Hah that may account for BT's request for specificity this time!
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I have had email reply saying five working days for reply. Will update when get email back.
Personally I think they made mistake when putting together the online feedback form.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I was thinking of that. Almost did it.
Thing is as I am regular on Lambeth online consultations I was wary of the interpretation of results.
My thinking was Lambeth would use those who ticked voluntary contributions as implying people were prepared to pay for Country show.
I've seen how Lambeth "interpret" consultation findings in LJ over the adventure playground.
I also feel as this has been free open event for decades people should have option to say that is how it should continue.
Tricky Skills
Well-Known Member
Seeing as though Lambeth has taken more than four months in trying to keep the 2017 de-briefing minutes away from residents, I thought I would get in there early for 2018.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Since this is morphing into a security and freedom of information thread I thought people might like to know that there was a sniffer dog sniffing the queues at the Last Night of the Proms. First time I've ever seen this at the Albert Hall.
Every night of the Proms (8 weeks) there has been a bag search this year, which is again a first. Additionally there are concrete barrier blocks to stop driver attacks on people outside the building.
I guess they are reacting to the Manchester Arena attack last year - and obviously a terrorist attack on a signature event at the Albert Hall would be a coup for a terror group. Even so, the security creates an atmosphere of oppression.
BTW Albert Hall security don't stop you carrying in sandwiches or flasks of tea. Lambeth Council please note!
Every night of the Proms (8 weeks) there has been a bag search this year, which is again a first. Additionally there are concrete barrier blocks to stop driver attacks on people outside the building.
I guess they are reacting to the Manchester Arena attack last year - and obviously a terrorist attack on a signature event at the Albert Hall would be a coup for a terror group. Even so, the security creates an atmosphere of oppression.
BTW Albert Hall security don't stop you carrying in sandwiches or flasks of tea. Lambeth Council please note!
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Still no reply. Despite them acknowledging my email and saying would get reply in five days. Its been several weeks now.
Tricky Skills
Well-Known Member
Guess what?
My FOI asking to see the minutes of the 2018 Country Show meeting has also been refused.
Lambeth reckons it might:
"be prejudicial to the Council’s responsibility to ensure public safety at future events."
I'd argue the opposite. By opening up the behind closed doors meeting, a little more trust and understanding may be forthcoming.
I have appealed against the decision.
I'm still waiting on the outcome of the Information Commissioner's investigation into the handling of my request to see the 2017 Country Show minutes.
Oh, and then there's Mighty Hoopla. A request to see these de-briefing minutes were also refused. I've appealed internally.
It can be hard work dealing with the Co-operative Council
My FOI asking to see the minutes of the 2018 Country Show meeting has also been refused.
Lambeth reckons it might:
"be prejudicial to the Council’s responsibility to ensure public safety at future events."
I'd argue the opposite. By opening up the behind closed doors meeting, a little more trust and understanding may be forthcoming.
I have appealed against the decision.
I'm still waiting on the outcome of the Information Commissioner's investigation into the handling of my request to see the 2017 Country Show minutes.
Oh, and then there's Mighty Hoopla. A request to see these de-briefing minutes were also refused. I've appealed internally.
It can be hard work dealing with the Co-operative Council
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Guess what?
My FOI asking to see the minutes of the 2018 Country Show meeting has also been refused.
Lambeth reckons it might:
"be prejudicial to the Council’s responsibility to ensure public safety at future events."
I'd argue the opposite. By opening up the behind closed doors meeting, a little more trust and understanding may be forthcoming.
I have appealed against the decision.
I'm still waiting on the outcome of the Information Commissioner's investigation into the handling of my request to see the 2017 Country Show minutes.
Oh, and then there's Mighty Hoopla. A request to see these de-briefing minutes were also refused. I've appealed internally.
It can be hard work dealing with the Co-operative Council
Credit to you for your perseverance.
I need to chase up reply from Lambeth. See above. After being promised reply in five days weeks ago.
I don't have the time for all of this. I think that is what the "Cooperative" Council banks on.
Council don't really want residents to have access to information. So one has to put two and two together. Then get criticised for making assumptions.
The fact that Council won't be transparent on information should be object of criticism. Not ordinary people making judgements on Council with limited info.
Making judgements with limited info is imo justified if them in power won't be transparent.
And should not be subject of criticism.
Criticise those who have power not the little people is how I see it.
Keep up the good work Tricky Skills
jimbarkanoodle
Well-Known Member
I went to a late night prom in the summer and found it to be very lax, not searched at all (although i didnt have a bag).
If they had a sniffer dog at the last night of the proms, its probably because coked up toffs have been fighting at the event last year. They have also started having them at Royal Ascot due to cocaine and scrapping getting out of hand. Although, saying all that, it may have been an explosives sniffer.
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CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Only bags are searched. No arches or pat downs that I've seen.
Never seen a fight at any prom in 20 years - but maybe security apply cross-the-board standards nowadays and the security company treat the Last Night of the Proms like a geriatric mass-appeal Jeff Lynn/ELO concert at the O2 Arena?
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I had a disagreement with Tate Modern security recently. Bag searches are standard now. So put my bag on the table and opened it. Security saw it had my shopping in it. This included a couple of bottles of lager. Told I couldn't take that in. Long discussion followed. I asked what had that to do with terrorism. Asked to see someone higher up. She said I might drink it in Tate. I should not bring my own food and drink in and should buy it in the Tate. Another long discussion about what relevance this had to do with terrorism. I then waved my member card and said I wanted to see someone higher up. She came down and was apologetic. Said that previous person had been mistaken about bringing in own food. But not bringing alcohol in was health and safety issue.
I said for years I've been coming to Tate. Before bag searches. Never seen any problems.
I said I didn't like bag searches but put up with them if it was for terrorism. Now bag searches had morphed into looking to see if you were bringing in food and drink. This is intrusive. Also there didn't appear to be any fixed criteria for purpose of bag searches. As people had told me different things.
Its the new normal. I find it offensive to see bag searches in public place like the Tate. Its not going to stop terrorism. Its giving into it.
Tricky Skills
Well-Known Member
According to the Met Police, "young people do not contribute to the Lambeth Country Show in any way."
Met Police claim ‘Young people do not contribute to Lambeth Country Show’ in secretive minutes of 2017 de-briefing meeting
No wonder Lambeth Council was so keen to hush up the minutes of the 2017 de-briefing meeting and stop Brixton Buzz from seeing them.
At least we now know the real reason for the bloody Great Wall of Brockwell: to keep young people out of a community event.
Good on Green Cllr Jonanthan Bartley for having the balls to cite the secretive minutes in a public meeting.
Met Police claim ‘Young people do not contribute to Lambeth Country Show’ in secretive minutes of 2017 de-briefing meeting
No wonder Lambeth Council was so keen to hush up the minutes of the 2017 de-briefing meeting and stop Brixton Buzz from seeing them.
At least we now know the real reason for the bloody Great Wall of Brockwell: to keep young people out of a community event.
Good on Green Cllr Jonanthan Bartley for having the balls to cite the secretive minutes in a public meeting.
Tricky Skills
Well-Known Member
Eight months later, two refusals from Lambeth and a referral to the Information Commissioner: here we go [pdf]
Still waiting for the 2018 minutes btw.
Still waiting for the 2018 minutes btw.
snowy_again
Slush
"GLL Marquee – assembled back-to-front"!
brixtonblade
Well-Known Member
Youths don’t contribute to the event in any way, in regards to spending money or
visiting other zones.
Get rid of funfair completely or change the music.
editor
hiraethified
A boot stamping on a human face - forever.Youths don’t contribute to the event in any way, in regards to spending money or
visiting other zones.
Get rid of funfair completely or change the music.
