Yeah I like it, but I do think Brixton South better reflects the areas within the new borders. Brockwell Hill may be a good name for the stretch of the A204 between Brixton Water Lane and Trinity Rise/Upper Tulse Hill if they do decide to move away from the name Tulse - but that's going to be a different story.
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Yeah I like it, but I do think Brixton South better reflects the areas within the new borders. Brockwell Hill may be a good name for the stretch of the A204 between Brixton Water Lane and Trinity Rise/Upper Tulse Hill if they do decide to move away from the name Tulse - but that's going to be a different story.
BusLanes
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I think it is probable they just do it because that's what parties do. The Conservatives and Lib Dems try and do that too. Presumably the national leadership also like the local parties to stand as many as possible so they can use that for their own means.
I think you are probably right that it would be better for them to go 2 rather than 3 in some wards to encourage vote splitting. I'm not sure it would work, but it would worth trying.
I wonder if the variability of ward size will have any impact on vote splitting.
lang rabbie
Je ne regrette les gazebos
Hmmm... I probably shouldn't ask
If we get a better selection of sherry in the shops on the other hand...
BusLanes
Pedestrian
Calling it Rush Common or indeed, Brockwell, neatly sidesteps the issue of Brixton vs Streatham Hill tho.
Cat Fan
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A word on St Martin's ward. Does anyone know where the name comes from historically?
It's a rather ugly shaped ward centred on the Tulse Hill gyratory/St. Martin's estate (hence the name?).But also includes various roads around Tulse Hill station.
I like the idea of a community centred around the train station.
Seems like the writing is on the wall for the slave tradey name Tulse Hill. Ball is in your court Network Rail. But I can't imagine they would ever call it St. Martin's station? Who do we have to email to get the station's name changed?
There's also the Tulse Hill Hotel who may need to think of a new name.
It's a rather ugly shaped ward centred on the Tulse Hill gyratory/St. Martin's estate (hence the name?).But also includes various roads around Tulse Hill station.
I like the idea of a community centred around the train station.
Seems like the writing is on the wall for the slave tradey name Tulse Hill. Ball is in your court Network Rail. But I can't imagine they would ever call it St. Martin's station? Who do we have to email to get the station's name changed?
There's also the Tulse Hill Hotel who may need to think of a new name.
Cat Fan
Cats and stats
I did a bit of digging and the name St Martin seems to have come from the estate, which was started in the 1950s. The estate took the name from the nearby school. Which in turn took its name from the famous church in Trafalgar Square (the school used to be in Charing Cross and was relocated to Tulse Hill in the 1920s).
I have now gone off the name completely because it has no history or link to the area.
Should we just call it "the ward formerly known as Tulse Hill"?
I have now gone off the name completely because it has no history or link to the area.
Should we just call it "the ward formerly known as Tulse Hill"?
Cat Fan
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I would prefer High Trees. There are a good number of lovely, huge and ancient trees in the ward.
Or if we have to go for a church based name, how about Christchurch, after the big, grade 1 listed church in the area that Christchurch road is named after? Makes more sense to me than being named after a church in Trafalgar Square.
BusLanes
Pedestrian
I think to some degree we'll be led by the local St Martins TRA. If they really don't like the proposed name then presumably they will be able to mobilise.
How do people feel about the other names? The modified Oval Wards are now:
1. Oval and South Lambeth
2. Vauxhall Bridge
Oval is a bit cumbersome now, but probably fits with people's view of where they live. Vauxhall Bridge I'm cautiously in favour of but on the other hand it does seem a tad generic/developer. But then I'm not sure what else they'd all themselves. Vauxhall works, but that's the name of the constituency.
How do people feel about the other names? The modified Oval Wards are now:
1. Oval and South Lambeth
2. Vauxhall Bridge
Oval is a bit cumbersome now, but probably fits with people's view of where they live. Vauxhall Bridge I'm cautiously in favour of but on the other hand it does seem a tad generic/developer. But then I'm not sure what else they'd all themselves. Vauxhall works, but that's the name of the constituency.
lang rabbie
Je ne regrette les gazebos
There was a St Martin's Ward from 1978 to 2002 with not dissimilar boundaries. There has been quite a lot of local pressure to revert to a ward centred on the area around Tulse Hill station.
(Local politicos of all parties at the last review at the turn of the millennium might have had a downer on St Martin's because of less than fond recollections of the December 1991 by-election campaign, which has entered my memory as one in which it pissed it down with rain on canvassers every day and night!)
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BusLanes
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Someone elsewhere posted the Standard's article on the Windrush ward name -and the wider boundary commission report. The comments really are a sewer
www.standard.co.uk
‘Brixton Windrush’ ward proposed for south London
Parts of south London are set to be renamed to honour the Windrush generation and erase links with slave traders.
www.standard.co.uk
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
I do think the focus on the names is the least important part of it. The existing names presumably made sense at some point but never did in other ways (Tulse Hill the ward, road, station/shopping street being the most obvious). Some of the new ones will work for some people but never be how other people in the same area refer to it.
Surely the boundaries and whether they actually make sense as areas that hang together is more of an issue?
Surely the boundaries and whether they actually make sense as areas that hang together is more of an issue?
BusLanes
Pedestrian
I think for most people, especially those outside of Lambeth, names will be more interesting.
But yeah, should be the opposite.
For me, the fundamental point is that the recommendations are interesting becuase the Commission seems interested in trying new things, rather than just tweaking borders here and there, which presumably is how these things usually end up.
But yeah, should be the opposite.
For me, the fundamental point is that the recommendations are interesting becuase the Commission seems interested in trying new things, rather than just tweaking borders here and there, which presumably is how these things usually end up.
Cat Fan
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I suppose the point for me is that it's not just the St. Martin's estate in the proposed ward, there're also a lot of other roads, including Palace Road, Lanercost, Deronda, Trinity Rise, Brockwell Park gardens, and other bits near Tulse Hill station and towards West Norwood. It seems a bit simplistic to lump it all together.
But I've been told that anything is better than Tulse Hill.
I like Oval and South Lambeth. Don't particularly like Vauxhall Bridge, Vauxhall on its own would be perfectly fine.
Likewise with Streatham Hill and Leigham, I don't know why they don't just call it Streatham Hill as it was previously known.
Cat Fan
Cats and stats
Yes, agree. Although a name can be powerful and help create a sense of place as well.
editor
hiraethified
I still don't like the name Windrush for my ward, mind.Someone elsewhere posted the Standard's article on the Windrush ward name -and the wider boundary commission report. The comments really are a sewer
‘Brixton Windrush’ ward proposed for south London
Parts of south London are set to be renamed to honour the Windrush generation and erase links with slave traders.
BusLanes
Pedestrian
Given the proposed new shape, what would you prefer?
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
I think that's one of the most problematic. I know ancient Lambeth was up there, but to call an area in the northernmost part of the borough of Lambeth "South Lambeth" is...unintuitive
BusLanes
Pedestrian
I think the point for that one is that people there recognise it - what with South Lambeth road. Weird for the wider borough, not so weird for them
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
maybe. but isn't the 'Tulse Hill' issue we have now? It sort of depends on which side of the ward you 'dress' - if you tend to leave onto Brixton Hill the name makes no sense. There's not actually a lot of South Lambeth Road in the ward and on the map underneath the area name is on the southern boundary.
Cat Fan
Cats and stats
Brixton Central would work I think.
Windrush is a nod to Windrush Square, but for me there's a lot more going on in Brixton town centre than just the one square, and it's fair to say not everyone living there considers themselves part of the "windrush generation" so we shouldn't pigeon hole.
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
A bit more than that I think - a nod to the history and culture as well. Brixton Central sounds like a railway station not a place.
BusLanes
Pedestrian
Well if we are looking for out of the box ideas - we could call it the Barrier.
Silly suggestion aside, looking at the map again - Coldharbour probably still works?
Or how about Effra? I can't quite visualise the route, but I think it does run largely through the new ward boundaries.
Silly suggestion aside, looking at the map again - Coldharbour probably still works?
Or how about Effra? I can't quite visualise the route, but I think it does run largely through the new ward boundaries.
editor
hiraethified
I think Coldharbour does the job just fine seeing as it's an ancient thoroughfare leading into the heart of Brixton and links right back to Brixton's history as well as the present. And the Alabama 3 named an album after it
BusLanes
Pedestrian
South West Londoner has written up the boundary changes too,
www.swlondoner.co.uk
Brixton Windrush ward proposed for Lambeth in London boundary review
The introduction of a “Brixton Windrush” ward, and removal of wards named after slave traders in Lambeth was suggested in boundary commission proposals published on 2 February.
www.swlondoner.co.uk
Agree with just keeping Coldharbour over Brixton Windrush, also that Brixton Central sounds like a railway station rather than a ward, "Central Brixton" feels more grammatically correct though I dint do me gcse's rite like
BusLanes
Pedestrian
Lambeth seems to be running a meeting this Thursday about the boundaries. I'm going to go if just so I can find out what the Labour line will be.
Presumably they're not fans. I guess they'll want to throw out the current recommendations wholesale given what the Council originally proposed with their support.
Anyway, here's the link.
www.eventbrite.co.uk
Presumably they're not fans. I guess they'll want to throw out the current recommendations wholesale given what the Council originally proposed with their support.
Anyway, here's the link.
Have your say on a new political map for Lambeth Council
Have your say on a new political map for Lambeth Council
www.eventbrite.co.uk
BusLanes
Pedestrian
I dialled into the call. Was pretty much as expected - the LGEBC outlined what they do, what they take into account with boundaries. Then Jim Dickson and a council manager talked a bit about it from Lambeth's perspective, then Jim talked through the changes.
It was mildly odd, he didn't seem that against them. He spoke favourably here and there about aspects of the proposal and said he thought 2 councillor wards are probably better from an equalities perspective (he thinks it would be easier to get more women/ethnic minorities selected. He didn't explain why). He did however give what seemed to be a clear suggest to those opposed to write in about equalities. He talked a bit about the cross party group and how they were in general agreement but not on all recommendations. He didn't mention the Lib Dem's role, but then they were not part of that so I guess that makes sense.
Then there was a Q&A handled by Jim, the council staffer and the two LGEBC staffers. That was mildly interesting. Few people seemed interested in the naming questions - someone stuck up for Tulse Hill. More people were asking about 1 v 2 councillors v 3 for work load, or particular boundaries chosen. Someone was pretty anti the new Streatham Hill / Thornton boundaries. The one person ward in Streatham got raised in that context. There were some questions from Labour types - one asked if they would be prepared to make significant changes to the whole scheme (she's an ex councillor).
I didn't get the impression that there was a massive groundswell of opposition to the new boundaries or names. More just people annoyed about some of the choices and of course some Labour pushback.
The LGEBC did say repeatedly that they wanted especially for feedback or suggestions to explain both why the submitter doesn't like a specific proposal and what they would propose instead. THey also recommended people understand the kinds of thing the LGEBC are looking for - e.g what is the community, what are significant geographic features.
It was mildly odd, he didn't seem that against them. He spoke favourably here and there about aspects of the proposal and said he thought 2 councillor wards are probably better from an equalities perspective (he thinks it would be easier to get more women/ethnic minorities selected. He didn't explain why). He did however give what seemed to be a clear suggest to those opposed to write in about equalities. He talked a bit about the cross party group and how they were in general agreement but not on all recommendations. He didn't mention the Lib Dem's role, but then they were not part of that so I guess that makes sense.
Then there was a Q&A handled by Jim, the council staffer and the two LGEBC staffers. That was mildly interesting. Few people seemed interested in the naming questions - someone stuck up for Tulse Hill. More people were asking about 1 v 2 councillors v 3 for work load, or particular boundaries chosen. Someone was pretty anti the new Streatham Hill / Thornton boundaries. The one person ward in Streatham got raised in that context. There were some questions from Labour types - one asked if they would be prepared to make significant changes to the whole scheme (she's an ex councillor).
I didn't get the impression that there was a massive groundswell of opposition to the new boundaries or names. More just people annoyed about some of the choices and of course some Labour pushback.
The LGEBC did say repeatedly that they wanted especially for feedback or suggestions to explain both why the submitter doesn't like a specific proposal and what they would propose instead. THey also recommended people understand the kinds of thing the LGEBC are looking for - e.g what is the community, what are significant geographic features.
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BusLanes
Pedestrian
Finally read the Buzz article on the Labour/council submission - is it normal that a council would ask for authority to make minor tweaks??
www.brixtonbuzz.com
Lambeth in disagreement with Boundary Commission over planned ward changes to the borough ahead of the 2022 local elections
Lambeth Council remains in disagreement with the Local Government Boundary Commission for England (LGBCE) over ward changes ahead of the 2022 local elections.
www.brixtonbuzz.com
Cat Fan
Cats and stats
No idea. It seems more than minor tweaks because they're wanting to merge some of the Streatham wards together. I'll be honest it's making me think that the council is very "north Lambeth" focused in their decision making.Finally read the Buzz article on the Labour/council submission - is it normal that a council would ask for authority to make minor tweaks??
Lambeth in disagreement with Boundary Commission over planned ward changes to the borough ahead of the 2022 local elections
Lambeth Council remains in disagreement with the Local Government Boundary Commission for England (LGBCE) over ward changes ahead of the 2022 local elections.
The South of the borough has bad transport links and there are none of the Santander cycles like from Brixton northwards.
