butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Look at all the pro-eu anti-eu people all of a sudden.
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free spirit
more tea vicar?
brogdale was making out that the markets were forcing austerity, I was disagreeing.
At least I think that's what was happening, though it's tangental to my main point that we're in a very different position to Greece, Spain etc due to having our own currency and our own central bank.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You crack on with that.
What a pity, Corbyn would probably get more support if he was opposed to the EU.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I was actually saying the complete opposite; they do not need to force 'market compliant', neo-lib administrations. They are the government.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Can anyone recommend some reading on what it was that made social democracy a possibility in the post-WW2 era, and why it might no longer possible? I've heard the argument before but never really thought too deeply about it. Beyond the fact that millions of people with military training demanding a welfare state might be quite persuasive, of course.
Humberto
Relax
They lost the war.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Because we're discussing in a thread about the potential for an anti-austerity leader who given the (massively unlikely) power of office would have the chance to test that 'freedom'.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
I think I'm going to give up on this conversation, I've no idea what point you've been making, and you started from a position of misunderstanding a point I'd made.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Great - you've no idea what the person you replied to said.
Humberto
Relax
Who do you think would be the best winner? If you had a preference?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Fuck off
Humberto
Relax
Would you like Corbyn to win? Or are you being regal and mysterious?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I just want to get home
Humberto
Relax
Theres always time
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yep.
Miss-Shelf
I'll meet you further on up the road
TV or print media?Lots of hysteria about 'entryism' this morning
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Just now on The Andrew Marr Show... though I daresay, it's in print too.
Remember, if you disagree with the neoliberal orthodoxy it makes you an "extreme left-winger". Corbyn's a fucking social democrat ffs.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
OK, I'll have another go, then.
I took objection to your claim that "We as in the UK government are doing austerity voluntarily..". My principle problem with that notion is the implication that the executives of 'sovereign' nation states are free to choose whether or not they comply with the demands of (global) financialised capital.
As in most European states, we happen to be governed by an administration that enthusiastically enacts the neo-liberal agenda of austerity and, politically, would want to convey the impression that such measures represent the 'sovereign' settled will of the people as expressed by the executive of their elected representatives.
I agree with you that in the case of Eurozone states there is a 'middle-man' that acts to impose the will of fincap upon the members of the currency union, and we have seen what happens to a state that toyed with the idea of not 'doing austerity'.
If Corbyn (or someone of that stripe) were to become PM of an administration committed to reverse the fiscal consolidation of 'austerity' they would face the hegemonic power of fincap to undermine the economy. The pressure would, obviously, not have to be sub-contracted to the ECB, but applied directly through "the markets" via, for example, unsustainably hiked bond yields.
It is for these reasons that I despair at the 'fetishisation' of the leadership of the 'left' party of financialised capital. If Corbyn won the leadership, if he then carried his party to a genuine anti-austerity platform, if they then won power...then we would be able to see just how "voluntary" austerity is.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
Mann going for a different tactic this morning I see after trying the child abuse one last week. I can't even be bothered to link an article that's how interested I've become in Labour and the leadership battle.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
can only tell after seeing the acceptance speech, just the same as telling who's the worst loser.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
tbf, if we were really serious about such a judgement, the party would have to tell them all, (one by one), that they'd 'won'...and then compare their performances. I suppose they'd have to use a sound-proofed, box like they used to on 'Mr&Mrs' to ensure fair play and all that.
Could be quite entertaining....especially the reveal.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Mann used to work as a researcher for the right-wing AEEU under (Sir) Ken Jackson, who himself was an associate of Frank Chapple and Eric Hammond.
Corbyn is going for it, Kat Fletcher, ex NUS President/AWL is running the campaign, has hundreds of volunteers, the Manchester meeting saw over 300 people with two days notice, his twitter site, JEZYOUCAN, seem dominated by under 30's, they have raised well over 50, 000 pounds and a new call centre team is being set up, this is all on the sites, don't shoot the messenger.
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