butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Your worry isn't what the actual labour party are doing now?
This up/down swing stuff is ridiculous.
Labour leadership
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This up/down swing stuff is ridiculous.
Some people don't believe that Corbyn would really represent a true radical Left leadership and/or don't believe that such a thing would make a significant difference to the despair many working class people are feeling.
But that's coz we support Tony Blair, innit
OK, but where is the mass movement outside the LP which is going to defend and work with those people?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Where is the mass movement inside it?
And if it exists, what is it doing inside a party that supports the attacks on those people?
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
Where is the mass movement inside the LP?
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
Ah, butchers got there first.
I'm saying that the LP has historically had these periods of surges of enthusiasm, etc only to go back to the tired cynical ways, why should this be different?
than again, maybe we are not Spain or Greece, maybe renewal will come through social democratic means,
just thinking aloud, you can do this on here you know.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
But what on earth are you thinking about? What relevance is what the labour party membership will look like in 20 years or if people who join now would have in the past been in GR? You swing between this mad the labour party is dead stuff to, it's in the process of being saved, then down again to, it might be shit in 20 years though?
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
maybe he should write to Cooper (Who he is backing) and ask her what she did or didn't do on the issue when she had a cabinet or ministerial post
it is a desperate throw of the dice from Mann, could backfire and attract more support to the evil Corbynbutchersapron
Bring back hanging
I don't think it'll do anything other than earn mann a biscuit from another candidate. Corbyn was astute enough to not respond directly and get accused of being soft on paedos in a public tit for tat.maybe he should write to Cooper (Who he is backing) and ask her what she did or didn't do on the issue when she had a cabinet or ministerial post
andysays
Love and solidarity
Clearly, there isn't one, either inside or outside of the LP, but if Corbyn does win the election and does manage to survive the undoubted attacks he'll face from right-wingers, that alone will do nothing to build or inspire such a mass movement.
This is the logic of what is being argued by articul8 and others, and it's top-down, tail-wagging-the-dog, follow-the-leader nonsense.
Eh? What's the Pickman's on about now?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you might recall tina from the 1980s - There Is No Alternative. maybe you don't. don't know why you felt the need to make an arse of yourself over that. but never mind.
You're a weird one and no mistake.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
grey hair is the latest thing among Bristle yoot
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
tell you what, why don't you make a point related to the topick and then we can take things from there. or you could continue your usual m.o. of posting up stupid bollocks like you did the other day about 'this thread's about pickman's' and see where things end up.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
if only that was the case
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Right that one young context free person with contacts enough to write in the guardian is pretty typical. Is the horses mouth - not all them kids out there who don't know or care who corbyn is never mind reel off a list of liberal PR.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Corbyn has given young people like me new hope in politics. Labour must listen
imposs1904
Thread Killa'
Is it a hipster thing?
The NS article has many more http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/07/whos-backing-jeremy-corbyn-young
I do wonder if the Loach film 'Spirit Of 45' has had more of an impact than most would give it credit for, the demographics of those who watched it suggested it was popular with the young.
btw, I'm not saying I agree with them, but there does seem to be upsurge
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Of what, a few hundred people into the labour party - people already egaged with the labour party, and people around counterfire and other groups. How many young people do you think there are?
And oh look a link to a guardian journo. Are there no other young people?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
So, watching a film rather than the exploitation, deprivation and alienation that they experience as their economic reality on a daily basis?
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
This is what I told some Mann supporter on Twitter last night and by way of reply I got loads of abuse and gobbledegook. I muted him. Life's too short.maybe he should write to Cooper (Who he is backing) and ask her what she did or didn't do on the issue when she had a cabinet or ministerial post
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
The Loach film veered between tedium, reformism and dewy eyed romanticism of 'what the proles was like then'.
The notion that young people even watched it on mass - let alone decided that after watching it that the way to fight austerity was by electing a 66 year old politico who looks like their old Geography teacher - is barmy.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
Not liked for the abuse obvs
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Odd how way back in new Labour days, Demetrious Panton mentioned Margaret Hodge (then leader of Islington Council) as covering up abuse, but none of the local MPs.
I think I'm more inclined to listen to a survivor, than to a card-marker like Mann.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
A nod and a wink about a sinecure? Surely not!
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Mann was a local councilor at the time i think - opposed to corbyn and the like - this is all on the paedo in high places thread. I need to check that.
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