Labour leadership

[Smokeandsteam]

there are quite a lot - but less well organised and drilled than the Millies. But the positive side is that we can't be picked off as easily.

You, JC, McDonnell, Owen Jones, the soggy oggies, Abbot - what a fucking squad you've got.

Have you considered asking Russell Brand to join up and vote?

 

[stethoscope]

I'm talking about what would be possible to begin building out of a revitalised party under a radical left leadership - of course it's a quantum leap from the party as it exists today.

How? Even the threat of Corbyn becoming leader has got the party in utter disarray and mobilised to try and prevent any kind of move leftwards.

 

[Pickman's model]

there are quite a lot - but less well organised and drilled than the Millies. But the positive side is that we can't be picked off as easily.

they don't need to pick you off. in fact you're quite useful on occasion, when you can be trotted out to bring in the lefty vote.

 

[butchersapron]

I'm talking about what would be possible to begin building out of a revitalised party under a radical left leadership - of course it's a quantum leap from the party as it exists today.

It's like the parodies The39thStep did of workers power and their workers militia. (Anyone still got them?)

 

[butchersapron]

How? Even the threat of Corbyn becoming leader has got the party in utter disarray and mobilised to try and prevent any kind of move leftwards.

I think he's ably demonstrated the potential labour turning itself into an expression of hard-left anti-imperialism'. I think the voters have shown their interest in such a thing as well.

 

[butchersapron]

they don't need to pick you off. in fact you're quite useful on occasion, when you can be trotted out to bring in the lefty vote.

Or make me think...nah.

 

[brogdale]

I dont like the lp and dont agree with their politics. Good luck to corbyn et al but its nothing to do with being sectarian. Ill keep my £3 thanks.

Gotta wonder if this is just a fund-raising scam.

 

[butchersapron]

Give us the money or the kids get it.

He pretty much said that.

 

[DotCommunist]

You, JC, McDonnell, Owen Jones, the soggy oggies, Abbot - what a fucking squad you've got.

Have you considered asking Russell Brand to join up and vote?

he probably would as well, that'd be funny. You'd need to send Corbyn round to go on his shitty youtube show though, otherwise he will not be convinced

 

[DJWrongspeed]

This is... special. Is the likes of Kay Burley really what appeals these days?

I'd vote for Dawn over everyone else. She seems to handle this moronic interview pretty well plus she's gorgeous (am I allowed to say that ??)

 

[marty21]

the smear campaign against Corbyn is gathering pace, at least on twitter - just had an exchange with someone claiming that Corbyn did nothing about child abuse - tweeted him back saying that Corbyn is as culpable or not as most MPs over the last three or four decades since Dickens gave his dossier to Brittain

 

[Lord Camomile]

Genuine question because, as ever, I'm spectacularly ignorant of such matters: what are they accusing him of not doing? From the little back and forth I've seen he opened an inquiry or two? What other options were available to him?

As others have said though, it seems like he did no less than others in similar situations, so at the very least it's a slightly risky attack strategy.

 

[marty21]

Genuine question because, as ever, I'm spectacularly ignorant of such matters: what are they accusing him of not doing? From the little back and forth I've seen he opened an inquiry or two? What other options were available to him?

As others have said though, it seems like he did no less than others in similar situations, so at the very least it's a slightly risky attack strategy.

very risky - any of the candidates, particularly those who had cabinet positions could be accused of more

 

[butchersapron]

Genuine question because, as ever, I'm spectacularly ignorant of such matters: what are they accusing him of not doing? From the little back and forth I've seen he opened an inquiry or two? What other options were available to him?

As others have said though, it seems like he did no less than others in similar situations, so at the very least it's a slightly risky attack strategy.

He's been accused of rubbishing dickens, of attacking his claims, hindering his research, of being fobbed off by abusers/enablers in council ran homes, and lying.

edit: this all concerning claims dickens made about corbyn's constituency.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Is the claim that he was aware of child abuse and did nothing?

eta: ok, question answered.

 

[Pickman's model]

the smear campaign against Corbyn is gathering pace, at least on twitter - just had an exchange with someone claiming that Corbyn did nothing about child abuse - tweeted him back saying that Corbyn is as culpable or not as most MPs over the last three or four decades since Dickens gave his dossier to Brittain

yeh because obviously dickens consulted corbyn or at the least told him what was in the files i suppose

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Has Corbyn responded to Mann's letter yet?

 

[marty21]

Has Corbyn responded to Mann's letter yet?

he started it all ? Who is he backing? will he be sending a similar letter to the other candidates who were cabinet members and more in a position to do something?

 

[Lord Camomile]

He's been accused of rubbishing dickens, of attacking his claims, hindering his research, of being fobbed off by abusers/enablers in council ran homes, and lying.

edit: this all concerning claims dickens made about corbyn's constituency.

Cheers. I actually thought I'd seen Mann's letter, but there's a lot in there I hadn't read so dunno what I was looking at before

 

[butchersapron]

Has Corbyn responded to Mann's letter yet?

A spokesman has.

 

[butchersapron]

he started it all ? Who is he backing? will he be sending a similar letter to the other candidates who were cabinet members and more in a position to do something?

They weren't cabinet members in islington in the 80s! Mann letters make specific claims, they are not about MPs generally not doing anything about paedos.

 

[marty21]

He's been accused of rubbishing dickens, of attacking his claims, hindering his research, of being fobbed off by abusers/enablers in council ran homes, and lying.

edit: this all concerning claims dickens made about corbyn's constituency.

yep, Corbyn doesn't come out well, but the accusations of not doing enough could be made about the other candidates as well , particularly those in Cabinet posts previously or ministers (Burnham and Cooper) so basically Mann is saying no one can be leader - unless they are newly elected and not tainted?

 

[butchersapron]

yep, Corbyn doesn't come out well, but the accusations of not doing enough could be made about the other candidates as well , particularly those in Cabinet posts previously or ministers (Burnham and Cooper) so basically Mann is saying no one can be leader - unless they are newly elected and not tainted?

Someone else could could put that construction on it - but his clear message is that corybn has made specific failures rather than the general ones other made - and so isn't fit to lead. Of course it's politically motivated - quite shamelessly so.

 

[treelover]

He was invited along with Dr David Death on Newsnight to confirm the BBC's narrative that this is the 80s civil war repeating itself and failed miserably to get them to do so.

Most centrist Labour lefties like myself who are not backing Corbyn for leader are highly impressed with the standard of debate he has bought to the party. The media is still absolutely baffled why MPs who are not backing Corbyn nominated them and think still think it was a damned good move (see Burnham supporter Dawn Butler's interview with Sky fuckwit Kay Burley).

And ironically its the Blairites having the 80s style Hatton/Heffer hissy fits. I was in Streatham CLP in 2010, they were pleased to have a rising star as the new MP but if Umunna thinks he take anyone with him in a SDP style breakaway party he needs his head examining.

Stangely David Owen was more sanguine about what may happen than most detractors, he obviously sees himself as a single issue campaigner on the NHS these days

 

[marty21]

They weren't cabinet members in islington in the 80s! Mann letters make specific claims, they are not about MPs generally not doing anything about paedos.

fair point

 

[Pickman's model]

yep, Corbyn doesn't come out well, but the accusations of not doing enough could be made about the other candidates as well , particularly those in Cabinet posts previously or ministers (Burnham and Cooper) so basically Mann is saying no one can be leader - unless they are newly elected and not tainted?

perhaps the leader of islington council at the time can remind everyone what went on.

 

[treelover]

The Corbyn campaign is a like the Scotland effect but inside the Labour party - it's gathering into a mass movement against austerity and picking up support from thousands of otherwise alienated young people. Not channeling them into dead-end internal Labour politics but challenging the foundations of the power structures

The Corbyn campaign is a like the Scotland effect but inside the Labour party - it's gathering into a mass movement against austerity and picking up support from thousands of otherwise alienated young people. Not channeling them into dead-end internal Labour politics but challenging the foundations of the power structures

They showed the Bristol 'Vote Corbyn' Meeting on TV news last night, really big, lots of young people as well, wonder if they voted?

 

[butchersapron]

fair point

I note he's not been demanding corybn stand down as an MP, nor Margaret Hodge or Harman for the last 30 years as being unfit to be an MP for the same thing he accuses corybn of. Whatever can have fired him up so this time?

 

[treelover]

Some people really don't want to see a radical Left leadership of the party - they want to confirm their own ideological purity on the sidelines whilst working class people despair

My worry is it is a cycle and in twenty years time, a new Blairite entryist grouping will emerge and thousands leave

btw, I wonder if many of the young activists joining would have been in Globalise Resistance, STWC, etc, in the past at their age.

 

[treelover]

It didn't vote for the Welfare Bill - factually inaccurate.

Sophistry, my M.P is sadly using that tactic.