Labour leadership

[gosub]

Hmmm

That does more damage to Mr Mann's efforts on paedophilia (which could have been called worthy) than to Mr Corbyn.

 

[Patteran]

at this point we can hope that he gets the leadership and tries to do the stuff he says he is about, thusly trolling the labour right with aplomb.

They'll naill him on the 'friend of the terrorist' thing though.

This - I'm Facebook friends with a pro-Kendall ex-Labour party insider & speech writer, & this seems to be the current line of attack - 'observed a minute's silence for terrorists shot dead by SAS, invited Adams & McGuinness to parliament while they were still pulling body parts out of the Grand Hotel, puts ideology before country' etc.

 

[DotCommunist]

This - I'm Facebook friends with a pro-Kendall ex-Labour party insider & speech writer, & this seems to be the current line of attack - 'observed a minute's silence for terrorists shot dead by SAS, invited Adams & McGuinness to parliament while they were still pulling body parts out of the Grand Hotel, puts ideology before country' etc.

its worth remembering that, when any walt tells you they never went gloves off in NI. Yes they bloody well did, and it was disasterous

 

[sihhi]

Jeremy Corbyn doesn't represent me. My mum, me and plenty others want the nationalisation of all private (grant-maintained, foundation, grammar and academy) schools. He apparently offers a 'greater relationship of control' between councils and private schools.

Already before he has even entered the final stage he has backed down on a 1980 Conference decision - nationalisation with compensation based on need of private education.

 

[Fedayn]

In the star and garter pub in maryhill ... Where the thistle 'ultras' drink (of the north stand) ... Pub also runs a Celtic supporters bus too ...

Been in there a few tines before games at Firhill, always more of us in there than Thistle.

Thistle 'ultras'? Hahahaha

I suppose they have to go somewhere to hide.

 

[brogdale]

Me neither. I probably won't until it's well under way.

Change is inevitable though.

Things as they are not sustainable. They never were. But less than ever now.

What form it takes, where - exactly - it comes from and the direction it goes is beyond me.

Yep. This afternoon I was reading Iglesias' NLR piece "Understanding Podemos" and few phrases seemed to resonate at this time when the LP appears to be undergoing a slow and agonising demise.

In Gramsci’s classic definition, hegemony is the power of the leading elites to convince subaltern groups that they share the same interests, including them within a general consensus, albeit in a subordinate role. Loss of that hegemony creates an organic crisis, which can manifest itself in the failure of the ruling institutions—including the mainstream political parties—to preserve and renew their legitimacy.

When our adversaries dub us the ‘radical left’ and try, incessantly, to identify us with its symbols, they push us onto terrain where their victory is easier. Our most important political-discursive task was to contest the symbolic structure of positions, to fight for the ‘terms of the conversation’. In politics, those who decide the terms of the contest determine much of its outcome. This has nothing to do with ‘abandoning principles’ or ‘moderation’, but with the assumption that unless we ourselves define the terrain of ideological struggle, it will limit the discursive repertoire at our disposal.

The old political parties in Spain appear to the citizens as little more than machines for getting access to the state administration by electoral means. In fact the elections that followed the 15-M movement had the feeling of an optical illusion: politicians and parties that were utterly discredited, perceived as the main problem by the citizens, were apparently inescapable, still dominating the realm of formal democracy.

 

[nino_savatte]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...used-of-inaction-over-paedophile-scandal.html

This will go well. Hodge? Harman? Mann's on to a loser.

 

[xslavearcx]

Ha by ultras I mean vocal standing fans - they would hate that term ha ha ...

Think pubs in maryhill often have that differential between their bigger Glasgow rivals come to play at firhill in the pubs in maryhill - I don't really think there are any exclusively jags pubs in general reflecting the size of our support in the city of rangers and Celtic...

Always been an ok relationship between jags fans and Celtic fans there - the management of the pub are Celtic if memory serves me correctly but have very good relationship with thistle fans.. Been in there a couple of times there on non. Match days and spoken to the regulars there and although most are Celtic a lot have memories of going to firhill as kids or have a family member who are thistle ... Think it kinda goes back to the days when thistle and Clyde were 'old firms' peeps second team the days before either traveling away became the norm for a football supporter and thus second teams would get supporters when first team were playing away... Also tv I thinks impacted on that dimension of smaller Glasgow teams having that type of spectator... Not to mention the hardening of team loyalties which alas I think have made firhill a more hostile environment for those have another Glasgow first team...

Eta in response to Fedayn s post

 

[Plumdaff]

That does more damage to Mr Mann's efforts on paedophilia (which could have been called worthy) than to Mr Corbyn.

Three words. Margaret Fucking Hodge.

Corbyn asked to have a photo with me and some mates outside Parliament the night of the Iraq vote. And we're likely domestic extremists.

 

[SpookyFrank]

That does more damage to Mr Mann's efforts on paedophilia (which could have been called worthy) than to Mr Corbyn.

Yes, for a minute there I almost had a small amount of respect for John Mann. But using the issue as a political football is cuntishness of the first order.

 

[nino_savatte]

I don't think Mr Mann or anyone from the Cooper campaign who sanctioned the smear has read this.

Finally, in my own borough there have been complaints about Islington children’s homes in the past and the council has investigated them. The council is in a very different place now, but nevertheless it welcomes the inquiry and will co-operate with it. As the Home Secretary is fully aware, many of the children who were abused in children’s homes also went to homes in other parts of the country—in some cases to the Channel Islands. It is therefore very important that the inquiry is able to investigate across local authority administrative areas and, indeed, across jurisdictions to ascertain what happened, tragically, to many very vulnerable young children who were taken to homes in the Channel Islands.
http://jeremycorbyn.org.uk/articles/in-parliament-child-abuse/

Inaction, eh?

If you're going to go to smear someone, it helps to actually do some background reading before going off half-cocked.

 

[agricola]

It helps to actually do some background reading before going off half-cocked.

'Twas always thus with the ruling clique of the Labour Party, though, as the people of Iraq can attest to.

 

[Fingers]

On the ball article in the Indie

The last thing Labour needs is a leader like Jeremy Corbyn who people want to vote for
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...byn-who-people-want-to-vote-for-10411466.html

 

[youngian]

John Mann's tacky intervention shows he's not getting Corbyn; however much mud you sling at him he still remains the grown-up who debates the issues. Negative campaigning may work in a GE because the parasitic media feeds off it and that is the prism voters see the agenda through. The media is almost irrelevant in an election of politically active voters. Burnham by contrast to the Blairites is being much smarter in the way he is engaging with Corbyn.

 

[JimW]

7 down - Blue Flower (4)

Nile

 

[spartacus mills]

Thanks to Hatterly, Blair, Mann etc I'm well tempted to pay my 3 quid and vote Corbyn. But if I become a ''supporter'' am I likely to get hassled for donations or to attend meetings? You know the way you get hassled by SWP, SPers if you sign one of their flipping petitions...

 

[frogwoman]

The lp arent getting any of my money.

 

[spartacus mills]

I don't think I can bring myself to do it tbh...

 

[spartacus mills]

I feel dirty even thinking about it...

 

[Favelado]

Nile

Well done Jim.

 

[JimW]

Well done Jim.

It's a bit of a crossword classic isn't it? Sure I've seen it before.

 

[William of Walworth]

John Mann's tacky intervention shows he's not getting Corbyn; however much mud you sling at him he still remains the grown-up who debates the issues. Negative campaigning may work in a GE because the parasitic media feeds off it and that is the prism voters see the agenda through. The media is almost irrelevant in an election of politically active voters. Burnham by contrast to the Blairites is being much smarter in the way he is engaging with Corbyn.

Bolded bit especially : spot on

 

[Favelado]

It's a bit of a crossword classic isn't it? Sure I've seen it before.

Yeah. I saw it in article about doing crosswords.

 

[JimW]

Just read this BBC article which you might think would be some of their famous 'balance' from the headline (e.g. bit about how left policies might engage the disaffected as mentioned up thread etc) but can only fill the second half with people saying what a disaster and return to the 80s he'd be and some polling that the wider country prefers Burnham: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33646068

 

[free spirit]

Thanks to Hatterly, Blair, Mann etc I'm well tempted to pay my 3 quid and vote Corbyn. But if I become a ''supporter'' am I likely to get hassled for donations or to attend meetings? You know the way you get hassled by SWP, SPers if you sign one of their flipping petitions...

you'll get a fair few emails, just add them to your junk filter.

 

[Wilf]

grauniad really entering the fray to kill off corbyn:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...could-cause-sdp-style-labour-split-says-donor

 

[ska invita]

grauniad really entering the fray to kill off corbyn:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...could-cause-sdp-style-labour-split-says-donor

"John Mills, one of party’s biggest benefactors, says wealthy supporters could withdraw backing if leftwinger wins leadership election"...."A donor to the Kendall campaign, Mills "

 

[ska invita]

"Rich, private school, Oxford. Meet John Mills, Labour's biggest donor"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...d.-Meet-John-Mills-Labours-biggest-donor.html

Actually that headline misses some of the more subtle bits of who he is and what he is about, but still...

My favourite bit from that is "Mills [...] perhaps fortunately doesn’t believe in donors “pushing their weight around because they have the money”

 

[gosub]

"John Mills, one of party’s biggest benefactors, says wealthy supporters could withdraw backing if leftwinger wins leadership election"...."A donor to the Kendall campaign, Mills "

"Rich, private school, Oxford. Meet John Mills, Labour's biggest donor"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...d.-Meet-John-Mills-Labours-biggest-donor.html

Actually that headline misses some of the more subtle bits of who he is and what he is about, but still...

My favourite bit from that is "Mills [...] perhaps fortunately doesn’t believe in donors “pushing their weight around because they have the money”

That bastard Corbyn, forcing millionaires to abandon their principles .

 

[JTG]

Friend of a friend spoke in favour of Corbyn at Streatham CLP last night. Apparently despite loads of Chuka groupies being bussed in, Kendall still only beat Corbyn by a couple of votes for the CLP nomination