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Yes Bryan Gould was associated with the Full Employment Forum which apart from its title aim was against EMU. Goulding went back to New Zealand and gave up politics when the Mandelson Blair coup took place.
 
YouGov: First preference votes amongst Labour members/supporters
11%: Kendall
20%: Cooper
26% Burnham
43%: Corbyn

*taken before last nights vote i expect, so Corbyns vote might be higher than that
 
I want him to win but what's the point really, the rest of the Labour Party couldn't deal with how 'left wing' Ed Miliband was. The media have it the wrong way round, Corbyn isn't too left-wing for the country but he is too left-wing for his party and they will go after him at every opportunity. I suspect even some non-Blairites in Labour would rather that Labour lose than have Corbyn as PM.
 
There have always been instances of the opposition voting with the govt, but it's usually been related to "national security", or been a genuinely cross-bench subject. This farrago where both main parties attempt to outbid each other on socially-destructive neoliberal policies is a creation of the Blair years, and arguably started pretty much as soon as he became Labour leader in '94. His "third way" was merely an avoidance of the second way (leftism) by copying much of the first way (rightism) but pretending it was something shiny and new.
Off the top of my head - and I'll happily stand corrected if wrong - I think there's a parliamentary convention whereby the opposition votes with the government (or at least doesn't oppose it) if the vote relates to a manifesto commitment.
 
Off the top of my head - and I'll happily stand corrected if wrong - I think there's a parliamentary convention whereby the opposition votes with the government (or at least doesn't oppose it) if the vote relates to a manifesto commitment.

No, of course there isn't. Oppositions oppose. On losing an election a party does not suddenly become committed to its opponents' manifesto. (Though, come to think of it, some current Labour leaders may need reminding of this.)

There is a convention that the House of Lords does not reject a measure passed by the House of Commons if that measure was a manifesto commitment.
 
I suspect even some non-Blairites in Labour would rather that Labour lose than have Corbyn as PM.
As is clear from this forum that politicians are all unscrupulous immoral opportunists lining their pockets wouldn't they be likely to back anyone who will get them into power?
 
All this talk of Corbyn wining is just based on first preferences isn't it? So he has no chance as very few of the second preferences from the other three will go to him.
 
All this talk of Corbyn wining is just based on first preferences isn't it? So he has no chance as very few of the second preferences from the other three will go to him.

This is from the Telegraph and being reported on radio 4:

The study also forecast that after Ms Kendall and Mrs Cooper had been eliminated and second preferences redistributed under the Alternative Vote system, Mr Corbyn would beat Mr Burnham 53 per cent to 47 per cent in the final round.
If true the there will be many Labour MPs having kittens...not least Corbyn!

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
 
Off the top of my head - and I'll happily stand corrected if wrong - I think there's a parliamentary convention whereby the opposition votes with the government (or at least doesn't oppose it) if the vote relates to a manifesto commitment.
that is, or was, true about the House of Lords, they'd never absolutely reject a manifesto commitment
 
So who the hell is going to represent us "old fashioned leftists " if the Labour Party won't. :mad:

there must have been several hundred candidates (enough to complete replace Labour as the main opposition grouping) of various 'proper' left flavours - its just that only a very tiny number of people voted for any of them.

in my constituancy, 22,000 voted tory, 16,000 voted Labour, and a mighty 153 people voted for TUSC, who i'm pretty sure was the only left candidate.
 

It's an ahistorical and dishonest attempt to gut social democratic politics of any class content beyond the desire for upward mobility, and in doing so to place an unbridgeable gulf between social democracy and socialism. It is a neo-liberal reworking of social democracy, which seeks to reinforce the message provided by the dumping of Clause Four; the Labour Party is no place for socialism or socialists.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
 
there must have been several hundred candidates (enough to complete replace Labour as the main opposition grouping) of various 'proper' left flavours - its just that only a very tiny number of people voted for any of them.

in my constituancy, 22,000 voted tory, 16,000 voted Labour, and a mighty 153 people voted for TUSC, who i'm pretty sure was the only left candidate.
Fairly similar in my constituency.
TBH I was bemoaning the lack of representation in the PLP, although I should know better by now :(
 
Bryan Gould and George Tait Edwards wrote this article about the general election and the effect of the Tory Electoral Registration and Administration Act (2013). It's fair to say they suspect gerrymandering.
https://medium.com/@georgetaitedwards/a-gerrymandered-election-and-a-flawed-mandate-6164fb125950
Whole thing rests on the truism that poorer, more transient populations are more likely to vote Labour (which, like most truisms has a fair bit of truth to it). With regard to offering this as a reason why the pollsters got it so badly wrong, I'm less convinced (partly, but less so). It would require the pollsters not be asking whether respondents were registered to vote - or those respondents thinking they were registered when they weren't. I'm sure gould and tait are right to focus on the importance of non-registration as a piece of intended gerrymandering. However it will need some actual studies and research to really quantify the effects.
 
Neo-Lib's favourite son speaks ...
....this was certainly an intervention in the leadership contest. With the “Blairite” candidate, Liz Kendall, expected to come last, Blair may well have felt that speaking could not make her position any worse. He did not seem to be positively backing her, or any of the other candidates, but his speech and Q&A amounted to an hour-long argument about why Jeremy Corbyn would have been a disaster.
 
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