Labour leadership
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Starry Wisdom
how very democratick of them
apols if this has already been posted, i think it's a good article: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/19/jeremy-corbyn-labour-hope
"Labour doesn’t win with a message of caution, simply because the Conservatives do it so much better; Labour wins with a message of hope."
"Labour doesn’t win with a message of caution, simply because the Conservatives do it so much better; Labour wins with a message of hope."
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
When do they win with a message of hope?
What does this winning look like for me?
What does this winning look like for me?
maybe i've been swept along in corbyn-fever but i guess "When" would be "the next election"and "What would it look like" would be "the traditional socialist labour party renationalising, rebuilding the NHS and the welfare system, taxing the rich more... all those good things.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
So it hasn't happened? This stuff from Corbyn is like some shitty tesco birthday card,.
what hasn't happened? the leadership election? no it hasn't happened yet so it is early days. what would you like to happen??
oops forgot to quote. butchersapron
oops forgot to quote. butchersapron
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Corbyn said that labour wins with hope or some nonsense - i asked when that had actually happened. And the answer seemed to be at some point in the future.
Seriously, that banality from him is as bad as any blairite guff soundbite - in fact, it's the same model isn't it?
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
If you think that Corbyn could win and survive to the next GE, then you are living in a fantasy world; if you want free needs based health care, social owned industries and people's livelihoods protected from the demands of capital, then nice as he is (and I've met him and he's more than ok) Jeremy is not the answer.
Cheers -Louis MacNeie
no he didn't say that. the person who wrote the article that i posted said it; it was a comment piece on his unexpectedly popular leadership campaign, not an interview.
the article kind of makes this point, but not from a negative perspective, more kind of saying "this could actually work and get votes".
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Same thing - same people - same greeting card guff.
hmm you could just admit you got the wrong end of the stick and misquoted because you didn't read the link.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Fuck that, latymer oxbridge guardian jouro wagging her finger at me.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I have read the article - and it really is just cynical greeting card guff.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
andrew niel hammered him on 'talking to the ira two days after they'd tried to blow up the government'. His response that you don't make peace by ignoring the other side was valid but I can see that one being a millstone round his neck.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Corbyn fever - catch it.
Don't you like hope?
Don't you like hope?
ok i just thought you hadn't because you said that corbyn had said the quote about "hope winning the election", when in fact it was a direct quote from the article and he hasn't said anything of the kind as far as I know?
I still don't know what you want! as far as i can see the fact that a fairly left wing candidate has evoked such support can only be a good thing whether he wins or not.
friendofdorothy
Solidarity against neoliberalism!
Only just discovered I have a vote through my union.
I'm not particulary interested in party politics (not since Blair ignored 2 million people and went to war anyway) Haven't read anything about the candidates or seen them on tv. I heard a lack lustre speach from Corbyn at the Anti Austerity rally and have his a flyer. I know nothing of the other candiates, other than theres 3 women and 3 blokes and Corbyn is the most left wing of the lot - is that right? gawd help us.
Would anyone care to say anything about them to help me in my choice?
I'm not particulary interested in party politics (not since Blair ignored 2 million people and went to war anyway) Haven't read anything about the candidates or seen them on tv. I heard a lack lustre speach from Corbyn at the Anti Austerity rally and have his a flyer. I know nothing of the other candiates, other than theres 3 women and 3 blokes and Corbyn is the most left wing of the lot - is that right? gawd help us.
Would anyone care to say anything about them to help me in my choice?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
all cunts except corbyn who seems vaugely alright but hasn't got a cat made of ice's chance in hell. Might as well vote for him I suppose.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Is that in relation to the 1991 mortar attack on Downing street? Because the obvious response to that one is that the Tory government had been talking behind the scenes to the Provies from 1987 onwards.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
brighton hotel
e2a
and he did mention that the gov. had been in talks with the ira behind the scenes anyway- mediated through priests wsn't it?
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Yep, I think priests played a role at least some of the time.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Corbyn actually made that point but was drowned out by Brilllo talking over him.
BBC News reporting that Burnham, Cooper and Kendall, will back Harriet position on abstaining from tonights Welfare vote, though some(a few) LP MP will vote against
so, the LP is voting for a form of state eugenics, cuts in disability benefits, a cap down to 13,000 for a single person.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...m-not-vote-against-unsupportable-welfare-bill
Burnham really is a shape shifter, turner
so, the LP is voting for a form of state eugenics, cuts in disability benefits, a cap down to 13,000 for a single person.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...m-not-vote-against-unsupportable-welfare-bill
Burnham really is a shape shifter, turner
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
You would think that people who are apparently so enamoured of business and business people would be familiar with the importance of having a 'unique selling point' to flog your brand.
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