brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
If that were actually the case, I'd pay my £3 and vote for him, because the media destruction of Corbyn and Labour would actually show the hand of power in a way that's rarely done.
And frankly, there isn't much "Labour" to destroy. It's not been the party of working people for a long time.
Andrew Hertford
Chocolate Jesus
Well there's any chance they might have had of winning the next election. That would be destroyed if Corbyn won.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
You think that with any of the other three in the saddle, there's any chance of Labour winning the next election? All three are mini-mes who'll parrot support for 95% of the policies the Tories legislate over the next 5 years. That's not opposition, and none of them will make an opposition, because they and the Tories are too ideologically-similar for that to happen beyond making booing noises at them in the Commons.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Apart from the fact that Corbyn's opponents keep telling everyone this, what evidence is there of it?
And Corbyn's opponents would say we're all doomed if he wins the leadership, because it's easier for them to say that than to actually defend their own red tory politics or to counter Corbyn's arguments.
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
Let's see how the dirty old man does on Monday; the hustings circus fetches up at a Jewish cultural centre on the Finchley Road for an event organised by Labour Friends of Israel. It'll be interesting to see what he says about his various friends.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
If Corbyn won the leadership election, Labour would definitely lose the 2020 election. Not because left wing ideas are unpopular but because the PLP would make damn sure they lost it and blame it on Corbyn.
Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
Yep. The right wing of the Labour Party would rather lose than support someone like Corbyn.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Yes, for both professional and personal financial reasons, not that the two aren't totally intertwined.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
Why are you so scared of a 'dirty old man' who can't win? It makes you look really weird, rolling about in the gutter shouting insults.
Louis MacNeice
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
if you think that's weird you should see what he looks like when you really see him rolling in a gutter shouting insults
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
I'm irked rather than scared; his candidacy is definitely damaging even though he can't win.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
So what's your opinion of 'Labour Friends of Israel', then?
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
I'd be happy to be a friend of Labour friends of Israel, if not actually a friend of Israel.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Ok. Just to be clear, what's happening is that Corbyn is turning up to a debate organised by them?
Isn't that a good thing? And I don't get the idea that a candidate you don't want elected standing for the leadership is damaging. Is it the debate that's damaging? If so, how?
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
It's the speculation that he might win that's damaging, even though it's fuelled by ill-informed speculation and mischievous Jedi/RATM-style campaigns.
It's a good thing that LFI (et al) have organised a hustings, mainly because it is an elephant trap for Corbyn, as he will presumably need to present his position on the likes of Raed Salah in depth.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
Corbyn is the wrong sort of candidate; he looks like a dirty old man and is friends with arabs. Maurice finds these things objectionable and knows that everybody else will too. Maurice thinks he's a moral pragmatist, but actually he's an amoral coward.
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Perhaps he thinks it's 'damaging' to remind voters of a time when the party had some ideological connection to socialism, principles, purpose and aspiration to represent the working class. Maybe?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
That would be the Raed Salah who took part in the flotilla of aid ships to the Gaza Strip? That one?
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
Yeah, that's the one. Blood libel chap.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
A bit odd that a group which supports a side which, in their last war, killed 499 children can be seen to set a trap for a candidate who is claimed to support the side that killed one.
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
I don't believe there is such a thing as Labour Friends of Likud.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
Have you actually read the judgement; it provides an interesting example of the lack of democracy that Corbyn was highlighting in his support for Raed Salah's presence in the UK. The sections dealing with the question of judicial deference to the wishes of the secretary of state are particularly, if unintentionally, illuminating. Oh and just remind me again how the blood libel thing went for him in Israel?
Louis MacNeice
Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
Tbh, I'd worry more about the damage that another 5 years of a nothingy offer-no-real-opposition centrist leader will do to Labour's base than I would about whether or not people will even remember Corbyn's leadership campaign this time next year.
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