Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
(oh, and obviously Burnham's going to win, because every ballot that doesn't have him first pref will have a 2 next to his name)
Labour leadership
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Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Yep, confirming that being the aim of both the spreading of "he's in front" polling and right-wing "I'm voting Corbyn" chatter. Burnham's played a blinder imo, totally destroyed Kendall by scaring her potential vote.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
I don't think Corbyn was having a "meltdown". I think he had every right to be impatient and angry. I also think Corbyn wanted to put his point across but KGM wasn't going to let him. The words "do you still beat your wife" apply to KGM's interviewing style.
As for harking back to to 1983, there's one thing that people continue to forget: Foot was ahead in the polls until Thatcher manufactured a conflict with the Argentines over the Malvinas.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh. but the conflict was in 1982. foot therefore behind thatcher throughout the important period.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Nonsense. You've internalised the Tory and Blairite propaganda, which claims that even the mild socialism of Corbyn is "old fashioned". Tell me, what is so fresh and modern about the Tories and Blairites?
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
I bet you would.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Or there's a possibility they'll fuck off and do an SDP Mk II or join the Lib Dems... which would be seriously fucked.
Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
Given that only 10% of the parliamentary party actually support Corbyn's politics, it would be absolutely guaranteed.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
chukka not pukka
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
tristram hunt's a cunt
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Surely it'll be quicker to list members of the PLP that aren't cunts?
He was just on the telly. Really is.
Andrew Hertford
Chocolate Jesus
I’m not much impressed by any of them either, but at least Labour would have a reasonable chance of winning with one of the other three as leader. Why bother with a leader who couldn’t possibly win? Any Labour government is better than any tory one.
Andrew Hertford
Chocolate Jesus
Labour would be doomed, it’s fantasy to believe that a dour and uncharismatic 71 year old from the old Labour left will appeal to British voters. Why do you think the Telegraph for are trying to get their readers to pay £3 and vote for him?
It’s a shame that personality is a major factor in democratic politics, but there you go.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Even a Labour government whose guiding ideology is almost identical to that of the Tories? I know we like to fondly see Labour as the defenders of the NHS and the rest of the Welfare State, but most of the shit the Coalition pulled, and the Tories are pulling, is stuff that New Labour set in train.
Andrew Hertford
Chocolate Jesus
The Falklands war was indeed a factor in Thatcher's 1983 win, but bigger factors which worked against Labour were their commitment to unilateral nuclear disarmament, withdrawal from the EEC, their disastrous handling of the economy in the 70s, higher personal taxes, union ties, (the winter of discontent and massively high inflation were still fresh in everyone’s minds) and importantly, Foot himself.
Most voters simply don’t want strange looking old men leading the country, especially when they’re perceived to be rooted in the far left or far right as Foot was and Corbyn is.
Libertad
Sparking up a rollie in the Reichstag
He's 66 not 71.
What about Ian Fothermucker?
Andrew Hertford
Chocolate Jesus
Yep, even New Labour were better than the tory alternative. Can you imagine what Hague or Howard would have done to the State sector?
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Andrew Hertford
Chocolate Jesus
Er... he'd be 71 by the time of the next election and 76 at the end of his first term.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Is ageism against Corbyn now part of a coordinated campaign of dickheads for dickheads?
Andrew Hertford
Chocolate Jesus
I'm no spring chicken myself, but sadly his age is something that will put voters off.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
...but always so well turned out...and youngish. And Chuka's skin...he obviously follows quite a grooming regime....not like that dirty old tramp one.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Cameron and Osborne are both obviously beautiful as well
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
As beautiful, yes.
panpete
Blokes name, birds body.
I like Corbyn's views, but New Labour are moving more to the centre, and I think Corbyn is a bit leftie.
I prefer the old labour and MP's like Skinner, Benn and Glenda Jackson, but again these MP's are too leftie for new labour.
I don't really know why we have a new labour party, maybe the whole labour party should just dissolve, as they have views too similar to tories. Any of the old-skool leftie labour MP's could join with the SNP.
I prefer the old labour and MP's like Skinner, Benn and Glenda Jackson, but again these MP's are too leftie for new labour.
I don't really know why we have a new labour party, maybe the whole labour party should just dissolve, as they have views too similar to tories. Any of the old-skool leftie labour MP's could join with the SNP.
SE25
1 sec lemme chat about road
I'll be honest, since the election I've swerved politics like a Liberal with the truth. I don't really have a clue who the candidates are but reading the Graun etc it seems the actual leftist candidate is 1-0 up. As much as I'd love Corbyn to get it (again, from what I've seen of him) is this how we get the Tories out? The public seemed to think Ed was too lefty (lol) which was one of the reasons he lost. Could Labour really get in with a non-Blairite leader?
not that I particularly have much faith in the party
not that I particularly have much faith in the party
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