Labour leadership

[Pickman's model]

just about to post that, wadical..

rancour

 

[Rob Ray]

 

[Favelado]

rancour

Roy Jenkins left without it.

 

[Pickman's model]

Roy Jenkins left without it.

i thought treelover might be transposing his r's and w's today tho.

 

[Favelado]

Who are Shed Seven backing?

 

[MochaSoul]

It's too long to reply to this morning, and I empathise with a lot of what you say. However, the plural of anecdote is not data, and we have to govern for all.

Labour lost Scotland this last GE because it kept treating people's stories as anecdotes.

 

[Pickman's model]

Labour lost Scotland this last GE because it kept treating people's stories as anecdotes.

yeh, they lost scotland because they were very rude to the scots and took them for granted.

 

[red & green]

And the labour sour grapes ever since is amusing

 

[Pickman's model]

And the labour sour grapes ever since is amusing

they'll be out of power for a generation. again.

 

[brogdale]

Lol

 

[ViolentPanda]

Hilariously, Alan "useless right-wing fuck" Milburn waded into Miliband and the perception of a turn to the left in today's "i". Like anything that privatising, PFI-loving dog-bummer has to say has validity, Fuckbag went from Health Secretary to part of a private health concern in a whiplash-inducingly fast time.

 

[gosub]

And the labour sour grapes ever since is amusing

Read an article this week that Labour members found to have said anything favourable about the SNP on social media, are being expelled from the party. How to ensure they stay buried

 

[killer b]

Read an article this week that Labour members found to have said anything favourable about the SNP on social media, are being expelled from the party. How to ensure they stay buried

We covered this elsewhere - that particular case (unless there's others come to light) was a SNP supporter who'd joined specifically to troll.

 

[belboid]

Corbyn winning (supposedly)

http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...yn-course-come-top-labour-leadership-election

 

[treelover]

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/07/labours-week-crisis-inside-story

New Statesman really is a Blairite rag these days, see this article

 

[articul8]

i think that they think putting out "Corbyn in the lead" articles will scare people back into "sense". It could backfire, big time.

 

[J Ed]

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/07/labours-week-crisis-inside-story

New Statesman really is a Blairite rag these days, see this article

Yep, neoliberal elitism with a smattering of identitarian politics to give it a radical veneer without actually throwing up anything that could cause friction between Helen Lewis and Andrew Neil when she goes on his shit programme on the BBC

 

[nino_savatte]

Tristy claims Corbyn is "politically and economically bankrupt". This from a man who crosses a picket line to deliver a lecture about Marx.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...y-bankrupt-warns-tristram-hunt_n_7800036.html

The more popular with the voters Corbyn becomes, the more shrill and hysterical the speech of the Blairite 'modernisers' becomes.

 

[nino_savatte]

It's clear who Iain Martin and other Tories want to lead the Labour Party.

 

[oryx]

Did anyone see the disgraceful Channel 4 News interview with Corbyn earlier this week?

He is ostensibly given an interview slot on C4 News as a result of Harman backing some of the more dubious benefit reforms and Krishnan Guru-Murthy asks him about 'being a friend of Hamas', then doesn't let him get a word in edgeways when Corbyn tries to describe what he meant. Understandably Corbyn got a bit irate. Totally unrelated and obviously designed to show Corbyn as a friend of 'terrorists' etc.

My OH reckons Guru-Murthy is a failed Paxman wanabee.

 

[JHE]

Corbyn was made uncomfortable by his difficulty in explaining why he called Hamas and Hezbollah "friends". He used the word in "a collective way", he says. Ah, right, a collective way. OK, then.

The thing that bothered me most about Corbyn's performance was not his having talked to Islamists (his point about having to talk to all sides, including people you disagree with, in the search for peace, is fair enough, as far as it goes), nor his having addressed them as friends (the simple truth is that leftists and others address all sorts of people at political meetings in that way, sometimes very obviously insincerely - if he'd called the Islamists comrades I'd have been more bothered), but his apparent scepticism about the Islamists' objective being the elimination of Israel. Either Corbyn is extraordinarily naive or he was being disingenuous. I think it was the second.

 

[Rob Ray]

My OH reckons Guru-Murthy is a failed Paxman wanabee.

He's barely a wannabe Piers Morgan. Much as Paxo's liberal-right schtick was prone to falling apart in front of unknown quantities he could at least string together questions that actually picked at holes in people's arguments rather than jabbing ineptly at hot topics nicked from simplistic press columns. Tbh Corbyn should have destroyed that nonsense, the fact he lost his rag says bad things about what'll happen if he's put up against the full might of the right as leader.

 

[oryx]

Corbyn was made uncomfortable by his difficulty in explaining why he called Hamas and Hezbollah "friends". He used the word in "a collective way", he says. Ah, right, a collective way. OK, then.

The thing that bothered me most about Corbyn's performance was not his having talked to Islamists (his point about having to talk to all sides, including people you disagree with, in the search for peace, is fair enough, as far as it goes), nor his having addressed them as friends (the simple truth is that leftists and others address all sorts of people at political meetings in that way, sometimes very obviously insincerely - if he'd called the Islamists comrades I'd have been more bothered), but his apparent scepticism about the Islamists' objective being the elimination of Israel. Either Corbyn is extraordinary naive or he was being disingenuous. I think it was the second.

The point I was making was that he shouldn't have even been asked about this in the first place in this particular interview.

 

[laptop]

Corbyn was made uncomfortable by his difficulty in explaining why he called Hamas and Hezbollah "friends"... his apparent scepticism about the [their] objective being the elimination of Israel. Either Corbyn is extraordinary naive or he was being disingenuous. I think it was the second.

That meme's so old. Hamas and Hezbollah may have the elimination of the state of Israel in their charters, but it's well-known they've rowed back from it in their policies.

As is calling Hamas and Hezbollah "islamists" in 2015. Technically, maybe; but they're hardly Daesh, are they? In the real world, that is, rather than in the world of professional Zionist fear-mongers.

 

[J Ed]

That meme's so old. Hamas and Hezbollah may have the elimination of the state of Israel in their charters, but it's well-known they've rowed back from it in their policies.

As is calling Hamas and Hezbollah "islamists" in 2015. Technically, maybe; but they're hardly Daesh, are they? In the real world, that is, rather than in the world of professional Zionist fear-mongers.

Agree on the Hamas charter but I don't really see how the existence of ISIS means that Hamas and Hezbollah are not groups based on political Islam, they explicitly state that they are.

 

[laptop]

Agree on the Hamas charter but I don't really see how the existence of ISIS means that Hamas and Hezbollah are not groups based on political Islam, they explicitly state that they are.

I wrote:

calling [then] "islamists" in 2015. Technically, maybe;

In 1928, calling German President Hindenburg "a Nationalist" was technically correct. In 1938 it was a smear, because of those other Nationalists.

 

[treelover]

A race to the bottom, someone being more extreme, doesn't mean their predecessors are still not a threat.

 

[Tankus]

Bring back ed miliband?...... The party needs your gravitas !

 

[redsquirrel]

In 1928, calling German President Hindenburg "a Nationalist" was technically correct. In 1938 it was a smear, because of those other Nationalists.

Calling one the set of pricks that help hand power to the Nazi's a nationalist is a smear. You've a very strange definition of smear.

Hindenburg wasn't a fascist but he was quite clearly a Nationalist both in 28 and 38.

 

[Kaka Tim]

so - if how does the process work?

Is it the candidate that comes last drops out and their second preferences go into the next round?

If so - im guessing corbyn could win the most first preferences but it will eventually be burnham or cooper who end up as leader?