Labour leadership

[treelover]

fortunately, it appears almost certain that the government will, in the upcoming SDSR, accept that MPA/ASW is a critical capability gap and purchace an 'off the shelf' replacement for Nimrod - the choices being the Japanese P-1, which was at Fairford in the summer and had government minsters and senior RAF officers crawling all over it, and the US Navy's P-8, which has a significant number of RAF and RN ASW people on exchange tours...

Boys with their toys?

 

[kebabking]

Boys with their toys?

ah yes, because we only buy stuff for excitable people to play with - a new MPA is like a racing car, it has no wider function whatsoever.

 

[DotCommunist]

could re work eva cassidy classic 'fields of gold' into an anti-nuclear song. Fields of glass. 'You can't see tthe sun, in a dust choked sky as we walk on fields of glass.'

needs work. Gotta work in 'coughing up your teeth' in there somewhere...

 

[DownwardDog]

fortunately, it appears almost certain that the government will, in the upcoming SDSR, accept that MPA/ASW is a critical capability gap and purchace an 'off the shelf' replacement for Nimrod - the choices being the Japanese P-1, which was at Fairford in the summer and had government minsters and senior RAF officers crawling all over it, and the US Navy's P-8, which has a significant number of RAF and RN ASW people on exchange tours...

There is 0% chance of a P1 procurement due to a) no English SOPs, tech docs, etc., b) unique engine (IHI F7) that is only used on that a/c and c) no opportunity for crew exchanges, common training and tactical development.

I don't think there will even be a P8 buy as the UK have managed 5 years without an MPA platform and the world hasn't ended

 

[laptop]

I'm well up for being an English collaborator in some sort of Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact scenario where Scotland and France divvy up England, Northern Ireland and Wales

Everything inside le M-vingt-cinq goes to France, si?

 

[2hats]

The only people that would launch a nuclear weapon are those who couldn't give a shit that they would be destroyed in return.

The nuclear 'deterrent' is ultimately a tool of mass suicide, as well as genocide.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

The nuclear 'deterrent' is ultimately a tool of mass suicide, as well as genocide.

That's the thing with the deterrence argument. Its defenders can point to it working right up to the day when it doesn't.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

This Trident issue really has the ring of something the preachy reactionary filth are going to cling to for years on end.

Warmonger twats like Murdoch (who have their bunkers prepared) preach that "responsible leaders" are primarily defined by beinng prepared to kill 10,000,000s, condemning future civilisation and nature to horrendous radioactivity: Fuckwit anti humans, self appointed experts in moral philosophy who think we're thick as mince.

We mustn't vote to treat the self employed properly. We mustnt vote to stop disabled people being driven to suicide. Because that would mean we might not be willing to kill 10s of millions of innocent people. These are moral imperatives. And people will buy into them.

 

[Sirena]

I don't know if this has been posted yet....

The poll that the Telegraph are running has a 'vote' option that I think may surprise the newspaper...

Jeremy Corbyn faces revolt over vow to never use nuclear deterrents

 

[Wilf]

could re work eva cassidy classic 'fields of gold' into an anti-nuclear song. Fields of glass. 'You can't see tthe sun, in a dust choked sky as we walk on fields of glass.'

needs work. Gotta work in 'coughing up your teeth' in there somewhere...

So she took her love for to gaze awhile,
Among the fields of barley
In his arms she fell as HER HAIR CAME DOWN
Among the fields of gold.

Already done.

p.s. like you I will maintain the fiction that it is an Eva Cassidy song. The truth is too much to bear.

 

[laptop]

The poll that the Telegraph are running has a 'vote' option that I think may surprise the newspaper...

Jeremy Corbyn faces revolt over vow to never use nuclear deterrents

Spoiler: Clicky

84% at this moment!

 

[killer b]

online newspaper polls are well known for their accuracy in reflecting the views of the newspaper's readership and indeed, the public at large.

 

[laptop]

online newspaper polls are well known for their accuracy in reflecting the views of the newspaper's readership and indeed, the public at large.

Especially those which get linked to from nests of baby-eating anarchists.

 

[killer b]

and leftish twitterers

 

[killer b]

for their next trick, a change.org petition to sack Paul Dacre will definitely result in him being hounded from the Daily Mail offices.

 

[J Ed]

Petitions can be really effective when they support exactly what the rich and powerful wanted to do in the first place.

 

[killer b]

oh look. this just popped up on my fb.

Some helpful advice from a supporter - a great way to get this petition circulating widely is to share on comments on relevant online newspaper articles! For those of you that have the time ....

 

[Orang Utan]

LOL:
Leader of UK ‘must be prepared to kill everyone’

 

[danny la rouge]

oh look. this just popped up on my fb.

I didn't sign because I don't give him my unconditional support. His "anti Trident" stance is falling apart. Exactly how anti Trident a PM would he be with a pro Trident defence secretary and cabinet? Exactly how anti Trident is Labour if the majority of the PLP will vote for Trident renewal.

It's lovely that Corbyn's personal stance is anti Trident, but that's no earthly fucking use to anyone if his party's stance is different.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Plus the union stance.

 

[Fingers]

I didn't sign because I don't give him my unconditional support. His "anti Trident" stance is falling apart. Exactly how anti Trident a PM would he be with a pro Trident defence secretary and cabinet? Exactly how anti Trident is Labour if the majority of the PLP will vote for Trident renewal.

It's lovely that Corbyn's personal stance is anti Trident, but that's no earthly fucking use to anyone if his party's stance is different.

It should be put the the wider membership. They must not loose sight that they are there to represent us.

 

[killer b]

I didn't sign because I don't give him my unconditional support. His "anti Trident" stance is falling apart. Exactly how anti Trident a PM would he be with a pro Trident defence secretary and cabinet? Exactly how anti Trident is Labour if the majority of the PLP will vote for Trident renewal.

It's lovely that Corbyn's personal stance is anti Trident, but that's no earthly fucking use to anyone if his party's stance is different.

I didn't sign it 'cause 38degrees can eat a bowl of dicks.

 

[danny la rouge]

I didn't sign it 'cause 38degrees can eat a bowl of dicks.

Yeah. Did they save the bees yet? Liberal slackers.

 

[laptop]

I can recall no head of the army and no serious academic strategist with any time for the Trident missile. It was a great hunk of useless weaponry. It was merely a token of support for an American nuclear response, though one that made Britain vulnerable to a nuclear exchange.

Spoiler: That's, err...

Simon Jenkins - not very expected?

 

[killer b]

bizarre isn't it? every word is pretty much nailed on.

 

[William of Walworth]

I'm well up for being an English collaborator in some sort of Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact scenario where Scotland and France divvy up England, Northern Ireland and Wales

So long as the French don't have any powers to abolish vegetarians' abilities to survive.

Which is a highly effective policy, mostly, in France

 

[William of Walworth]

And as for French 'policy' and 'awareness' about beer .....

 

[William of Walworth]

Spoiler: That's, err...

Simon Jenkins - not very expected?

About three years ago, he argued pretty forcefully for abolishing the MoD and the UK's armed forces.

Will try and find that article ...

ETA : In fact it was five years ago (June 2010), and yes, he proposed abolishing all the armed forces

A theme which he developed further in November that year (and very well, IMO) in this article : Does Britain really need the military?

(Almost all the time, on other subjects, I think he's a demented right wing fruitcake ...... )

 

[danny la rouge]

So long as the French don't have any powers to abolish vegetarians' abilities to survive.

Which is a highly effective policy, mostly, in France

The French *don't* have any powers to abolish vegetarians' ability to survive.

 

[Artaxerxes]

I got bored and made a mockup of Corbyn for the next Civ game.