Labour leadership

[J Ed]

Davis is a libertarian, first and foremost, so he pretty much always comes out against policies that appear to be restricting of personal freedom. He was virulently anti-ID cards, too.

Not that much of a libertarian if he thinks the other provisions in the bill are sensible

 

[Casually Red]

I think the point was that calling JC out for anti-semitism because he sacked a Jew is truly appalling.

They'll be calling him a racist over poor Chukka next . A vest wearing anti Semitic racist threat to national security .

 

[ViolentPanda]

He's in a strange position. Enormous support from the party, huge mandate, and yet hardly any support from other MPs.

Burnham was bound to get a job, I would have thought.

The "support from MPs" issue will probably resolve itself (bar the bitterness and petulance of the Progress wing of the Party) over the next few months, as MPs get used to that strange thing known as "internal democracy".

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

You're kind of missing the point of Corbyn's political philosophy. He doesn't want to be a leader who does top-down presidential-style diktat like Blair and Brown, he wants the policies pursued by himself and his (shadow) cabinet to be based on the majority opinion of the Party membership. This will tend to mean that however vociferous his support for particular causes, it'll be the middle road that gets taken - social democracy in a nutshell.

I agree with you, and thus am not missing that point.

I have less confidence that security services/the secret state would share the analysis.

 

[Casually Red]

"So, wee man, are ye a Protestant black, or a Catholic black?"

Chukka ar la ...that nickname will go straight onto him..he's fucked already .

 

[ViolentPanda]

Not that much of a libertarian if he thinks the other provisions in the bill are sensible

He's a right-wing libertarian. In case you haven't noticed, they don't tend to have rational beliefs!

 

[existentialist]

OK, I'm going to be a bit more specific about what I said regarding the sense of threat in Cameron's tweet, and I may be wrong / flamed to think like this, but history gives enough cause for suspicion.

Corbyn's ideas, if implemented, are a serious challenge to NATO and other aspects of the MIC. He is a lifelong campaigner for the likes of CND etc.

If it gets to the point where a government led by him seems disturbingly likely, and some form of attack might damage that prospect, it is not beyond imagination that such an attack may be more likely.

On the other hand, there may have been a meeting some time ago where certain people said something on lines of "Oh well, stuff like Gladio has worked pretty well up till now so let's not bother with it any more"

What I've said here may well never come to pass, or need to. Operation Mockingbird style media is the first port of call...it's been deployed long before yesterdays result.

People who theorise about conspiracies eh? What are they on about? The sort of people who think MI5 have been involved in covering up kid-fucking or that police spies shag their way through the environmentalist movement. It's absurd.

It might be helpful not to use this thread as a convenient hobbyhorse for your, ahh, more...cherished theories, hm?

 

[red & green]

John Mc Donnell shadow chancellor

 

[marty21]

Burnham has put himself in a good position to be the next leader whlist the other losers start a big sulk .

 

[Sirena]

Gawd Heidi Alexander she's a hack - endorsed burnham was whip

Hadn't heard of her much at all but she's not too bad from the bits on Youtube. She comes across as quite real (ie not slick politico).

She's got a fair time to learn her job while she's in opposition.

 

[J Ed]

John McDonnell as chancellor. Cool.

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

John Mc Donnell shadow chancellor

Proper sausage-fest

 

[Casually Red]

It might be helpful not to use this thread as a convenient hobbyhorse for your, ahh, more...cherished theories, hm?

A thread were the UK government are publicly denouncing him as a threat to national security ? That's pretty serious stuff .

 

[J Ed]

Proper sausage-fest

#notallsausages

 

[red & green]

Hadn't heard of her much at all but she's not too bad from the bits on Youtube. She comes across as quite real (ie not slick politico).

She's got a fair time to learn her job while she's in opposition.

She was on my local council and is my MP - she's a party hack and kept her head down - don't expect much from her - she Will never put her head above the parapet




and why Lord falconer ?

 

[J Ed]

Diane Abbot gets communities, that'll bring out the foaming at the mouth racists*

*I don't even like her at all really but jesus the racists hate her so much it makes it worth it basically

 

[treelover]

John McDonnell as chancellor. Cool.

John Mc is a pretty sharp cookie though they will dig up his past

Blimey, just can't believe this is happening, JM is shadow chancellor, fucking incredible.

 

[red & green]

John Mc is a pretty sharp cookie though they will dig up his past

Blimey, just can't believe this is happening, JM is shadow chancellor, fucking incredible.

Hopefully there will be some satisfying takedowns of Osborne

 

[belboid]

and why Lord falconer ?

Experience. Maybe Starmer said no, or he's saving him for Attorney General.

 

[marty21]

She was on my local council and is my MP - she's a party hack and kept her head down - don't expect much from her - she Will never put her head above the parapet




and why Lord falconer ?

I think he wants some big beasts in the cabinet

 

[Sirena]

and why Lord falconer ?

That shocked me too. A wee sop to the Blairites?

 

[red & green]

Falconer is unelected and legitimised Iraq war as well as instigation of legal aid cuts - big beast indeed but the wrong kind - tbh don't really know why I'm getting so annoyed ..lol

 

[J Ed]

Whatever happens next we are already in some astonishing uncharted territory.

 

[Shirl]

That shocked me too. A wee sop to the Blairites?

I can't imagine he would give a toss about Blairites

 

[belboid]

Falconer is unelected and legitimised Iraq war as well as instigation of legal aid cuts - big beast indeed but the wrong kind - tbh don't really know why I'm getting so annoyed ..lol

Problem is, who the fuck else in the lords is there to be Lord Chancellor?

 

[DotCommunist]

Farage just apointed as court jester

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

and why Lord falconer ?

Maybe he's incensed by the colossal fuck-ups at the MoJ, and JC needs someone with some establishment heft to front up on it. Lawyers necessarily have to have some, err, flexibility.

 

[DotCommunist]

Falconer is unelected and legitimised Iraq war as well as instigation of legal aid cuts - big beast indeed but the wrong kind - tbh don't really know why I'm getting so annoyed ..lol

perhaps he has been appointed to widen the gyre

 

[belboid]

No women in the biggest appointments, that'll be held against him.

 

[Kaka Tim]

John Mc donald as chancellor is a strong signal. The labour right wing have been loudly warning him off giving him that post ("it will cause an explosion/it will be a declaration of war") and hes called their bluff. What are they going to do other than continue sulking?