Labour leadership

[treelover]

Your thinking logically here, and happily Cameron will blame the entire crock of shit Middle East on Labour, despite him continuing the same fucking policies and even improving them.

I have been to a café where a right mix of people congregate from labourites, S/P'ers, anarchists to full on nationalists, the 'self made men' there were going mad about Corbyn, saying "he will sell us out, kow tow to Putin, open the borders, abandon our defence by leaving Nato, etc" It was similar to what I used to hear about Foot, a real visceral hatred, people are picking up on Corbyn, and real divisions, battle lines are being drawn. Many don't see him as the inoffensive social democrat discussed on here. The Scum had seven pages on Corbyn and his allies, we are about to live in interesting times.

 

[treelover]

15,500 new members in the last day. 'kin hell.

I spent time talking to my old neighbours, punks, promoters, graduates, etc in crap jobs, they never used to have 'political direction', like many twenty somethings in this era, but did have a very keen sense of injustice about the world. They are absolutely enthused by Corbyn but they also were intrigued by what I told them about the IWCA.

 

[treelover]

Wow. Really.

That's is truly appalling, I hope Jews For Corbyn and others respond.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

All these obviously spurious accusations of anti-Semitism are very dangerous on many levels

It's partly laziness.

That said, there is certainly a disturbing rise in hatred of Jewish people, and though the right try to score points from it happening, it is not least they who are responsible. A rising tide in hatred and nastiness of many differences (eg migration status, disability) seems to have lifted all boats. Hate and fear is all these pricks to hide the ceaseless corruption.

 

[treelover]

That is magnificently timed at least. He can come up with no circumstances that he might share a platform with those who want to leave, just a few hours before the Germans give everyone on the continent about three or four of them.

Do you mean Germany closing the borders, along with Austria, etc.

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

Shadow Cabinet is being dripped out:

Shadow Home Secretary
Andy Burnham MP

Shadow Foreign Secretary
Hilary Benn MP

Shadow Health Secretary
Heidi Alexander MP

Shadow Justice and Lord Chancellor Lord Falconer (thought that was going to be Kier Starmer)

 

[Artaxerxes]

I have been to a café where a right mix of people congregate from labouriotes, SP, ers, anarchists to full on nationalists, the 'self made men' there were going mad about Corbyn, saying "he will sell us out, kow tow to Putin, open the borders, abandon our defence by leaving Nato, etc", it was similar to what I used to hear about Foot, a real visceral hatred, people are picking up on Corbyn, and real divisions, battle lines are being drawn, many don't see him as the inoffensive social democrat discussed on here. The Scum had seven pages on Corbyn and his allies, we are about to live in interesting times.

Aye, defence appeals to people on left and right and after the last 14 years scaremongering and fear inciting anyone who sticks their head up and says "hang on a minute here, we need to rethink what we're doing" is going to get fucking lynched. The middle east is a meat grinder we have our limbs firmly stuck in and its about time someone took a look at it and said we cannot fight ISIS if we are funding the likes of Saudi Arabia and giving them weapons.

Shadow Cabinet is being dripped out:

Shadow Home Secretary
Andy Burnham MP

Ah fuck, I hoped we'd seen the last of the loon.

 

[Jackobi]

 

[SpookyFrank]

Ah fuck, I hoped we'd seen the last of the loon.

Loons are far more interseting than Andy Burnham.

 

[Fingers]

Andy Burnham shadow home secretary

 

[treelover]

Shadow Cabinet is being dripped out:

Shadow Home Secretary
Andy Burnham MP

Shadow Foreign Secretary
Hilary Benn MP

Shadow Health Secretary
Heidi Alexander MP

Shadow Justice and Lord Chancellor Lord Falconer (thought that was going to be Kier Starmer)

Blimey, where is Katy Clark, Clive Lewis, etc?, looks like safety first.

waiting for news on shadow works and pension to take on Smith, who gets it will be revealing.

 

[treelover]

 

[ViolentPanda]

Send Chuka over there

"So, wee man, are ye a Protestant black, or a Catholic black?"

 

[ViolentPanda]

Or Tristram Hunt.

"I say chaps, all this business with the assasinations is simply not on. Surely your differences could be better settled with a nice intramural lacrosse tournament."

Ever played lacrosse? Far more concentratedly homicidal than mere sectarian murderation!

 

[red & green]

Gawd Heidi Alexander she's a hack - endorsed burnham was whip

 

[ViolentPanda]

That's a mark of his (and perhaps his advisors') naïvete.

Occam's Razor runs a close heat between "tell the dopey punters what they want to hear" and "attacking always works" as the main operating principle in Cameron's brain. Personally, I suspect it's the latter. I look forward to him stepping repeatedly and hard on his own dick.

He's still a PR man at heart - thinks that the punters are mug cunts, and that as long as you phrase shit right, you can take Joe Public for a ride.

 

[DotCommunist]

yay burnham for hom sec! austin allegros for everyone!

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Thats the idea, and the Tory voters and huge portion of the general public will lap it up

Bill Baily had the right idea anyway, hope to see more from him.

OK, I'm going to be a bit more specific about what I said regarding the sense of threat in Cameron's tweet, and I may be wrong / flamed to think like this, but history gives enough cause for suspicion.

Corbyn's ideas, if implemented, are a serious challenge to NATO and other aspects of the MIC. He is a lifelong campaigner for the likes of CND etc.

If it gets to the point where a government led by him seems disturbingly likely, and some form of attack might damage that prospect, it is not beyond imagination that such an attack may be more likely.

On the other hand, there may have been a meeting some time ago where certain people said something on lines of "Oh well, stuff like Gladio has worked pretty well up till now so let's not bother with it any more"

What I've said here may well never come to pass, or need to. Operation Mockingbird style media is the first port of call...it's been deployed long before yesterdays result.

People who theorise about conspiracies eh? What are they on about? The sort of people who think MI5 have been involved in covering up kid-fucking or that police spies shag their way through the environmentalist movement. It's absurd.

 

[agricola]

Do you mean Germany closing the borders, along with Austria, etc.

That, and not arranging for support for any of the refugees (especially those now shut out, for however long that is) whilst moving from wherever to Germany, and threatening any EU member state that doesn't go along with an obviously doomed policy of trying to distribute refugees across Europe with financial punishment.

 

[ViolentPanda]

All these obviously spurious accusations of anti-Semitism are very dangerous on many levels

And I'm sure that the members of the "Jewish establishment" who are helping these accusations along (I'm looking at you, Board of Deputies of British Jews, you reactionary dogfuckers) are perfectly aware of it, but don't give a toss.

 

[Sirena]

That's is truly appalling, I hope Jews For Corbyn and others respond.

Eh? Perhaps he was crap at his job.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Eh? Perhaps he was crap at his job.

I think the point was that calling JC out for anti-semitism because he sacked a Jew is truly appalling.

 

[Sirena]

I think the point was that calling JC out for anti-semitism because he sacked a Jew is truly appalling.

Oh I see.....

 

[treelover]

That, and not arranging for support for any of the refugees (especially those now shut out, for however long that is) whilst moving from wherever to Germany, and threatening any EU member state that doesn't go along with an obviously doomed policy of trying to distribute refugees across Europe with financial punishment.

as all know I have concerns about mass migration, though much much less on refugees, but this terrible, its winter soon, what will they do, Germany should never have made an open ended commitment they can't make. this has the making of the collapse of the EU. I wonder how JC will approach this.

 

[belboid]

Blimey, where is Katy Clark, Clive Lewis, etc?, looks like safety first.

waiting for news on shadow works and pension to take on Smith, who gets it will be revealing.

Get the 'big' centrist names in first, show you're broad minded, then get the lefties in.

 

[tim]

The lefty rot really has set in. We now have a prominent MP comparing David Cameron's moderate union reforms with the policies of Spanish Fascist leader Geberal Franco!

Details here!

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Get the 'big' centrist names in first, show you're broad minded, then get the lefties in.

He's in a strange position. Enormous support from the party, huge mandate, and yet hardly any support from other MPs.

Burnham was bound to get a job, I would have thought.

 

[ViolentPanda]

OK, I'm going to be a bit more specific about what I said regarding the sense of threat in Cameron's tweet, and I may be wrong / flamed to think like this, but history gives enough cause for suspicion.

Corbyn's ideas, if implemented, are a serious challenge to NATO and other aspects of the MIC. He is a lifelong campaigner for the likes of CND etc.

You're kind of missing the point of Corbyn's political philosophy. He doesn't want to be a leader who does top-down presidential-style diktat like Blair and Brown, he wants the policies pursued by himself and his (shadow) cabinet to be based on the majority opinion of the Party membership. This will tend to mean that however vociferous his support for particular causes, it'll be the middle road that gets taken - social democracy in a nutshell.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Get the 'big' centrist names in first, show you're broad minded, then get the lefties in.

Looks like he's also putting in people with ministerial experience in the shadow secretary of state positions, where he can. IMO it's a good strategy insofar as he'll have experienced players facing the Tories across the floor, while being able to "bring on" likely prospects to take over from them at some time in the future.

 

[ViolentPanda]

The lefty rot really has set in. We now have a prominent MP comparing David Cameron's moderate union reforms with the policies of Spanish Fascist leader Geberal Franco!

Details here!

Davis is a libertarian, first and foremost, so he pretty much always comes out against policies that appear to be restricting of personal freedom. He was virulently anti-ID cards, too.