Labour leadership

[ItWillNeverWork]

I think the tories have underestimated what they're dealing with here. They're also a bit delusional about how strong a grip on power they can possibly have with the backing of only 25% of the electorate.

24%, actually. That 1% matters.

 

[CNT36]

not at all - red placebos are more effective than other colours and they've even showed positive response to placebo surgery. if you have a non-uk proxy you can watch this horizon doc.
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Iirc that is the documentary that ends with people being given pills that they are told the truth that they contain nothing active. Most if not all those showed improvement and some get pretty pissed off when they could no longer get them once the trial ended. It also went into how and when Placebos work and what conditions they were effective in treating.

 

[ViolentPanda]

have many Labourites actually quit? IS there a list? Refusing to serve in a shadow cabinet, without being asked to, doesnt count

TBF, I'm quite pleased about the refusals to serve. It points out to their constituents exactly how careerist their MPs are, and how little of a shit they give about promoting the interests of their constituents.

 

[SpookyFrank]

TBF, I'm quite pleased about the refusals to serve. It points out to their constituents exactly how careerist their MPs are, and how little of a shit they give about promoting the interests of their constituents.

It's all a bit toys-out-the-pram isn't it?

This whole leadership election has provided the Blairites with many excellent opportunities to make themselves look like cunts and they've seized every one.

 

[andysays]

As I said to mauvais , I'm not interested in pursuing the subject on this thread, but just a few corrections to your most recent post to me.

• I'm not saying the placebo effect is the same as witch doctory
  
• It wasn't me who brought up anti-malarial drugs
• I am fully aware that the placebo effect is *fundamental* to science based medicine and that every single trial is measured against the placebo effect

Next time there's a thread specifically about homeopathy, give me a shout and I'll be happy to return to the subject

 

[J Ed]

Labour's deputy leader Tom Watson suggests he'll oppose Corbyn over scrapping Trident - Politics live

Gove claimed that Corbyn’s victory could increase the chances of protests breaking out on the streets.
There are some people behind [Corbyn] who do have a tradition in politics which is very different to Jeremy Corbyn’s own humane tradition. And I do worry, as we saw even in the last parliament with organisations like UK Uncut, that there are some people who want to bring protest onto the street. I think it’s important that we keep our politics civilised.

And one other concern that I have is that, actually, if you have a strong opposition leader, if you have a strong alternative prime minister then people are less inclined to take their anger onto the streets; they’re more inclined to see the House of Commons and civilised political discourse as the way to change this county. So there is a danger, I think, to the health of our democracy overall that Labour have not chosen someone who would be their strongest alternative prime minister.

Corbyn threatens to disrupt the harmony and prosperity of the motherland, his dissent sends all the wrong messages to the rabble, we might even see some of them!

 

[ViolentPanda]

I did like Corbyn and his politics until I found out he supported homeopathy, now I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.

IIRC the 2010 vote was about the closure of the Royal London Homeopathic Hospital, which didn't just offer homeopathy, but other - more scientifically-supported - "alternative" treatments such as herbalism and osteopathy on the NHS.
I believe the hospital was in his constituency, too.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Labour didn't lose in 1984 because of Michael Foot. That's a myth put about by the Tory press and Nu Labour revisionists. It lost because of the Falklands and Thatcher channelling Churchill. Foot was actually quite popular and Labour was doing well in the polls until the Falklands.

1983.

 

[SpookyFrank]

IIRC the 2010 vote was about the closure of the Royal London Homeopathic Hospital, which didn't just offer homeopathy, but other - more scientifically-supported - "alternative" treatments such as herbalism and osteopathy on the NHS.
I believe the hospital was in his constituency, too.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Pot and kettle

Unlike most of the rest of the populace of the United Kingdom, Boris hasn't yet realised that he's the exemplar of uselessness and overweening ambition, and a figure of mockery. He still thinks that he's a contender.

 

[ViolentPanda]

It's all a bit toys-out-the-pram isn't it?

This whole leadership election has provided the Blairites with many excellent opportunities to make themselves look like cunts and they've seized every one.

And not daintily, with a single hand, either. They've seized every opportunity two-handed, and held it in a death-grip. Hoist by their own petards, the ambitious careerist mugs.

 

[DaveCinzano]

You may laugh, but once, after an unfortunate setting-oneself-on-fire incident at a festival, I was led to the nearest first aid post. A herbal first aid post. Apart from being unable to figure out how to turn on the lights in their tent, they also manage to pour essential oils into my eyes because it was too dark to see what they were doing

/tangent

 

[peterkro]

IIRC the 2010 vote was about the closure of the Royal London Homeopathic Hospital, which didn't just offer homeopathy, but other - more scientifically-supported - "alternative" treatments such as herbalism and osteopathy on the NHS.
I believe the hospital was in his constituency, too.

I went to the RLHH as did quite a few of my friends and whilst I believe Homeopathic medicine is complete bollocks there's an important edict in medicine i.e first rule do no harm and on that basis they were right,straight medicine wanted to prescribe me as a fifteen year old a drug that would have fucked my body so much that pregnancy for a female was a distinct no no.I didn't take it fortunately.
As an aside and I've had this reinforced by lots of people their main diagnostic tool seems to be does your shit float or does it not? Bit odd I thought at the time but hey Calendura cream ain't going to hurt you Methotrexate on the other hand will just not fuck you but any descendants you may have.

 

[two sheds]

True that, if you get side effects from homeopathy you just have to reduce the concentration a bit.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Song, celebration, laughter and hope in the pub, with the leader of the opposition.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Worth a re-visit?

A Very British Coup

 

[maomao]

IIRC the 2010 vote was about the closure of the Royal London Homeopathic Hospital, which didn't just offer homeopathy, but other - more scientifically-supported - "alternative" treatments such as herbalism and osteopathy on the NHS.
I believe the hospital was in his constituency, too.

It's in Queen's Square isn't it? Well outside islington north.

 

[elbows]

Some more reactions from the BBC live updates page

Former Labour minister Frank Field tells Sky's Dermot Murnaghan he nominated Jeremy Corbyn for leader because he wanted to see a great debate about Labour's future - but said this had not materialised.

What was shocking, suprising...was that the other three candidates...had nothing much to say."

Mr Field describes Andy Burnham, Yvette Cooper and Liz Kendall's offerings as "thin Blairite gruel".

Former Lib Dem leader Lord Ashdown is scathing about Jeremy Corbyn's election as Labour leader. "What they have chosen to do is go back to the old socialism of the past", he tells Murnaghan.

This is politics followed by Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, disastrously...the politics followed by Syriza (in Greece) disastrously...it may have traction with the British people but I doubt it. This is politics of the past for the past, old Labour is now in charge."

Lord Ashdown says his party now has an opportunity to appeal to people as a "modern, centre left party that's addressing the conditions of today rather than the conditions of the 1950s."

 

[DotCommunist]

lol, hubris. The libs are dead an buried for another generation.

 

[andysays]

Some more reactions from the BBC live updates page

What was shocking, suprising...was that the other three candidates...had nothing much to say."

Mr Field describes Andy Burnham, Yvette Cooper and Liz Kendall's offerings as "thin Blairite gruel".

It's very rare that I agree with Frank Field but that's spot on

 

[belboid]

Sad, but true. Fortunatly, largely irrelevant

 

[oryx]

One of Jeremy Corbyn's main allies, the MP Diane Abbott, has told the BBC it is "a bit odd" people have resigned from jobs in the shadow cabinet before being offered them.

Love it! Sense of entitlement?

 

[andysays]

Love it! Sense of entitlement?

And we've also got the bizarre spectacle of Umunna not explicitly resigning being dressed up as

'Corbyn will have to sack me': Defiant Chuka Umunna refuses to resign and challenges new leader to give him the boot

I know there's now an apparent need for new and exciting twists and turns to the story every five minutes, but this is properly ridiculous

 

[malatesta32]

quite a bit of homeophobia going on 'ere!

 

[DotCommunist]

And we've also got the bizarre spectacle of Umunna not explicitly resigning being dressed up as

'Corbyn will have to sack me': Defiant Chuka Umunna refuses to resign and challenges new leader to give him the boot

I know there's now an apparent need for new and exciting twists and turns to the story every five minutes, but this is properly ridiculous

I think we can expect this 'house divided' stuff to be currencey in the press from this point onwards. If theres any genuine rebellion or internal war expect them to go even more mental.

 

[oryx]

And we've also got the bizarre spectacle of Umunna not explicitly resigning being dressed up as

'Corbyn will have to sack me': Defiant Chuka Umunna refuses to resign and challenges new leader to give him the boot

I know there's now an apparent need for new and exciting twists and turns to the story every five minutes, but this is properly ridiculous

'Daily Fail proves itself moderately useful' shock!

The table of the current shadow cabinet & possible options is quite interesting.

 

[belboid]

Chris Leslie was Shadow Chancellor?? Who knew

 

[andysays]

I think we can expect this 'house divided' stuff to be currencey in the press from this point onwards. If theres any genuine rebellion or internal war expect them to go even more mental.

Oh yeah, I'm sure there will be plenty more in the days and weeks to come. It's just that this business of "so-and-so has ruled out being in the SC", "so-and-so has refused to resign until he's forced out" is a little pathetic and transparent, even for shite papers like the Mail.

 

[red & green]

The bitter tears of New Labour - it's very amusing

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Chris Leslie was Shadow Chancellor?? Who knew

is there such a thing as an invisible big beast?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice