Labour leadership

[DotCommunist]

I think jc is a teatotal veggie to boot

its not been confirmed that he also wears sandals but I'm willing to bet as soon as there is a lick of sunshine he is busting out the brown leather badboys

 

[SpookyFrank]

have many Labourites actually quit? IS there a list? Refusing to serve in a shadow cabinet, without being asked to, doesnt count

I don't even think people in caretaker positions in the shadow cabinet can 'quit' tbh. Any new leader would have picked his or her own cabinet, so the incumbents would have no reason to assume they would get to keep their jobs.

e2a: The fact that Chris Leslie was shadow chancellor just proves that nobody was taking these temporary shadow cabinet posts seriously.

 

[rekil]

The Observer view on Jeremy Corbyn’s victory in the Labour leadership

Ideology can sometimes be an indulgence best deployed by fringe politicians, pundits and activists. But people in need can’t survive on that – they require people to fashion legislation and effect change. And that requires political power. It’s difficult to see how a Corbyn victory makes that more likely.

This again. The great liberal conceit that they're dynamic solution providing go-getters untethered to ye olde ideological swim lanes, and that any of the other 3 shitheads could win an election by continuing to mug its voters and out-filth the tories. As if Corbyn's Labour won't be stuck with this route anyway.

But given long-term trends towards fragmentation and the declining importance of class, mainstream parties will be forced to adapt the way they interact with voters or face extinction.

One can only speculate about what horrid experience with oiks led an observer leader writer to rue "the declining importance of class" in the face of decades of evidence pointing to increasingly stratified societies.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Do you have even a drop of evidence for this assertion?

Jeremy Corbyn signed parliamentary motion in support of homeopathy in 2010

(Just in case you were being serious)

 

[SpookyFrank]

It's a common argument, particularly from the grauniad-observer axis. It's better to have someone who won't do anything different to the tories but who might get into power than to pick a candidate whose policies you actually support.

As usual, the evidence for the claim that 'Corbyn cannot win a general election' is notable by its absence.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Jeremy Corbyn signed parliamentary motion in support of homeopathy in 2010

(Just in case you were being serious)

This is much worse than having tea and crumpets with Hamas. Quackery ruins lives, zero motherfucking tolerance

 

[rekil]

Unlike Corbyn who speaks a rusty but passableish Spanish

"militante del partido laborista" sounds cool. I hope it catches on.

 

[andysays]

Jeremy Corbyn signed parliamentary motion in support of homeopathy in 2010

(Just in case you were being serious)

Hmm, that's worrying.

(and I was being serious, but working a joke in there too)

 

[J Ed]

"militante del partido laborista" sounds cool. I hope it catches on.

Sindicalista sounds a lot cooler than trade unionist as well imo

 

[J Ed]

It's a common argument, particularly from the grauniad-observer axis. It's better to have someone who won't do anything different to the tories but who might get into power than to pick a candidate whose policies you actually support.

"A liberal is a man too broad-minded to take his own side in a quarrel"

 

[Orang Utan]

If he's a homeopathy advocate, he can fuck right off

 

[emanymton]

its not been confirmed that he also wears sandals but I'm willing to bet as soon as there is a lick of sunshine he is busting out the brown leather badboys

With socks as well I bet

 

[DaveCinzano]

Red or Dead do some of the most gorgeous mens footwear. Not cheap, but they look fucking mint

/derail

Are you belatedly releasing your inner discokermit?

 

[cesare]

I love how a hint of homeopathy rather than his politics is the decider for support

 

[DotCommunist]

Are you belatedly releasing your inner discokermit?

he'd buy the footwear. I just look at pictures of it and wear cheapo ellese trainers instead.

 

[andysays]

I love how a hint of homeopathy rather than his politics is the decider for support

That's the thing with homeopathy, it only takes a hint to have a really significant effect

 

[DaveCinzano]

I love how a hint of homeopathy rather than his politics is the decider for support

The smaller the hint, the more potent it is

 

[DaveCinzano]

That's the thing with homeopathy, it only takes a hint to have a really significant effect

<INSERT ANGRY SMILEY SHOUTING AT SLUGGISH IPAD>

 

[cesare]

Fast on the reply button both of you! Must be something in the water.

 

[andysays]

<INSERT ANGRY SMILEY SHOUTING AT SLUGGISH IPAD>

 

[two sheds]

drop of evidence

This is much worse than having tea and crumpets with Hamas. Quackery ruins lives, zero motherfucking tolerance

You don't hold with the placebo effect then?

 

[Kaka Tim]

eerhggh.... just made the mistake of ploughing through the comment peices in the gaurdian. A Great morass of patronising, conceited, condescending guff where they deign to give Corbyn the benefit of their wisdom. Predictably its all about how he should temper his message, appeal to the "centre" and tut-tuttting at his acceptance speech - where he didn't offer anything to people with "aspirations" (wanting a decent home, decent wages and a decent future is not an aspiration apparently).
As well as failing to find anything exciting or positive in a dramatically changed political landscape or even consider that an anti-austerity platform might actually resonate with many people outside the labour left - they conspicuously failed to show the slightest humility in acknowledging that they completely misread the rise of Corbyn, that the abject failure of their campaign against him suggests that no-one gives a fuck about what they say and that - really - like the rest of us - they dont have a fucking clue as to what's going to happen next.

 

[SpookyFrank]

You don't hold with the placebo effect then?

I don't hold with charging sick, vulnerable and (lets be fair to them) stupid people large sums of money for a placebo no.

You can by homeopathic antimalarials ffs. The placebo effect cannot stop you contracting malaria.

 

[J Ed]

If you don't like Corbyn or his politics then fair enough but him mildly supporting homeopathy five years ago isn't a v good litmus test.

 

[rekil]

This is OJ's #payback2015 isn't it.

 

[SpookyFrank]

If you don't like Corbyn or his politics then fair enough but him mildly supporting homeopathy five years ago isn't a v good litmus test.

I did like Corbyn and his politics until I found out he supported homeopathy, now I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.

 

[Chz]

As usual, the evidence for the claim that 'Corbyn cannot win a general election' is notable by its absence.

The only one of the many, many things people have said that rings true to me is "Michael Foot couldn't win, and he's no Michael Foot." Which digs to the heart of the matter, if you're a supporter. I'm in favour of the policies (well, most of them), but Corbyn is no leader. He still hasn't managed to regularly engage his brain before his mouth, despite 20+ years as an MP - which tells me he never will be, either. If he manages to win, it will be entirely due to those around him and some massive own-goal from the Tory side. Personally, I see it as Milliband all over again. I hope it's not Foot and the SDP all over again.

 

[nino_savatte]

The only one of the many, many things people have said that rings true to me is "Michael Foot couldn't win, and he's no Michael Foot." Which digs to the heart of the matter, if you're a supporter. I'm in favour of the policies (well, most of them), but Corbyn is no leader. He still hasn't managed to regularly engage his brain before his mouth, despite 20+ years as an MP - which tells me he never will be, either. If he manages to win, it will be entirely due to those around him and some massive own-goal from the Tory side. Personally, I see it as Milliband all over again. I hope it's not Foot and the SDP all over again.

Labour didn't lose in 1984 because of Michael Foot. That's a myth put about by the Tory press and Nu Labour revisionists. It lost because of the Falklands and Thatcher channelling Churchill. Foot was actually quite popular and Labour was doing well in the polls until the Falklands.

 

[two sheds]

I don't hold with charging sick, vulnerable and (lets be fair to them) stupid people large sums of money for a placebo no.

which is why I presume the idea is to have it on the nhs

Eta - you think that the placebo effect only works on stupid people????

You can by homeopathic antimalarials ffs. The placebo effect cannot stop you contracting malaria.

Didn't say it would. Might cut the UK's drugs bill if prescribed appropriately though. Or don't you hold with the placebo effect?

 

[Orang Utan]

You don't hold with the placebo effect then?

It's a myth, isn't it?