Labour leadership

[ViolentPanda]

I wonder what his Orthodox readers think of him taking money from a known pornographer?

Most of 'em would take a pass on condemning Desmond, as he contributes some wodge to Jewish charities to burnish his "plastic yid" credentials.

 

[Pickman's model]

two sheds d'you want to delete your name from yr last post?

 

[andysays]

 

[Pickman's model]

but i meant well

 

[Casually Red]

Saw an article linked yesterday that tackled those myths: 1983: the biggest myth in Labour Party history | Red Pepper

Good article that . Blairs comment that wars make prime ministers popular is very telling . Particularly with his thatcher obsession . He was mad to attack Yugoslavia as well . Clinton had to rein him in a bit .

 

[two sheds]

but i meant well

Nah was appreciated, always worth checking.

 

[andysays]

but i meant well

Have a "like" in recognition

 

[Casually Red]

It's a common argument, particularly from the grauniad-observer axis. It's better to have someone who won't do anything different to the tories but who might get into power than to pick a candidate whose policies you actually support.

As usual, the evidence for the claim that 'Corbyn cannot win a general election' is notable by its absence.

Gove has stated pretty clearly that Corbyn can win . Which is why they're going to go full pelt on the scare tactics .

I don't know where this stuff comes from tbf . He has a stonking majority of 30,000 votes or something like that and has been returned as an mp for over 30 years . He's annihilated hands down anyone he's ever ran for election against, internally and externally . He's a winner .

And labour have just reported they've had something like 15,000 people join up in the last 24 hours . The unions aren't talking about breaking away now either . He's energised and mobilised his base . No reason at all why he couldn't win .

 

[SpookyFrank]

And labour have just reported they've had something like 15,000 people join up in the last 24 hours . The unions aren't talking about breaking away now either . He's energised and mobilised his base . No reason at all why he couldn't win .

And if the tories really believed he couldn't win then they'd just be resting on their laurels right now, instead of prophesying doom left right and centre.

 

[killer b]

They aren't prophesying doom, they're monstering him in the hope it'll define his leadership. It worked quite well with Miliband, it'll be interesting to see how well it works this time.

 

[SpookyFrank]

 

[Casually Red]

And if the tories really believed he couldn't win then they'd just be resting on their laurels right now, instead of prophesying doom left right and centre.

The real Tories, like gove, know class isn't irrelevant . Because theyre class warriors when alls said and done . It's blairites who promote that shit . Labour has spent over 30 years doing its best to demobilise the oiks and attract the Tory and liberal vote instead . If corbyn succeeds in mobilising and energising them again the Tories are in trouble, and they know it .

Corbyns rise has been meteoric , despite having been written off as a joke from the start . He's defied the entire narrative and that alone makes him dangerous . Because all the old perceived wisdoms look..well..old now . As well as untrue . The political narrative itself is fucked . Or at least under threat . And if that's under threat then so is the cosy neo liberal status quo and consensus it has sustained between blue Tories and red Tories .

After what happened so definitively in Scotland combined with labours dreadful showing in the rest of Britain it should really be a no brainer as regards what people in Britain want from their politicians, and corbyn fills that niche perfectly . I'm utterly gobsmacked that the very people who presided over an unmitigated labour disaster, when it should have been an anti austerity penalty kick , have the brass neck to lecture anyone about making labour unelectable straight off the back of that humiliation . Bunch of jokers .

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

In reference to that Red Pepper piece about 1983

If any tory/echo chamber prick bangs on about Labour and the 1980s, don't hesitate to say that the tories are taking us back to the 1890s.

 

[Artaxerxes]

It begins!

 

[FridgeMagnet]

 

[Puddy_Tat]

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liked for the reply

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

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That Cameron post itself has a rather threatening air.

 

[laptop]

The other myth is the so-called 'Winter of Discontent' in which we're constantly told that the "entire country" was knee deep in unburied corpses and neck deep in piles of uncollected rubbish. That may have happened in London but where I lived there were no piles of rubbish or unburied corpses.

IIRC the corpse allegation was only ever made in reference to Liverpool, or to one cemetery in Liverpool.

But my brain may have been addled by the stench of garbage...

 

[two sheds]

Yes sounds like the sort of thing they'd say about ISIS before locking up or bombing the leaders.

 

[maomao]

It's not even like they pick an angle of attack or try to toe a similar line. They actually all repeat the exact same sentence like fucking robots in an attempt to plant it into the public consciousness. Pathetic faceless excuses for politicians. There are no words to adequately describe the agony and misery I wish for them.

 

[Artaxerxes]

That Cameron post itself has a rather threatening air.

Thats the idea, and the Tory voters and huge portion of the general public will lap it up

Bill Baily had the right idea anyway, hope to see more from him.

 

[cesare]

It begins!

"U ok, hon?"

 

[FridgeMagnet]

It's not even like they pick an angle of attack or try to toe a similar line. They actually all repeat the exact same sentence like fucking robots in an attempt to plant it into the public consciousness. Pathetic faceless excuses for politicians. There are no words to adequately describe the agony and misery I wish for them.

What they don't realise is that the "talking point" strategy, while good in the time of Karl Rove, doesn't work in an arena where everybody's statements appear alongside each other i.e. social media. It doesn't look like a coherent message any more, it looks like spambots.

 

[Pickman's model]

fucking david cameron's a real threat to national security etc

 

[agricola]

Thats the idea, and the Tory voters and huge portion of the general public will lap it up

Bill Baily had the right idea anyway, hope to see more from him.

Not sure that they will - after all, it is hard for them and le Resistance to plausibly chirp away about Corbyn being a threat to national security when they have been getting us involved in wars that result in an ever-increasing terror problem at home, when they have been getting rid of tens of thousands of military personnel, when they have been radically downsizing the emergency services, when they have been selling huge swathes of critical national infrastructure to foreign companies and governments, and when they have been pushing the amount of debt we collectively and individually hold ever upwards.

They would be on better grounds criticizing him for having a beard; at least none of them have one.

 

[cesare]

fucking david cameron's a real threat to national security etc

U ok, hon?

Sorry. That's really tickled me

 

[Pickman's model]

What they don't realise is that the "talking point" strategy, while good in the time of Karl Rove, doesn't work in an arena where everybody's statements appear alongside each other i.e. social media. It doesn't look like a coherent message any more, it looks like spambots.

it is spambots

 

[J Ed]

What they don't realise is that the "talking point" strategy, while good in the time of Karl Rove, doesn't work in an arena where everybody's statements appear alongside each other i.e. social media. It doesn't look like a coherent message any more, it looks like spambots.

They do it on telly and radio as well, I assume that they've factored this in

 

[maomao]

I don't have my own twitter account but my baby daughter just called David Cameron a cunt from hers.

(wife may kill me)

 

[Artaxerxes]

Not sure that they will - after all, it is hard for them and le Resistance to plausibly chirp away about Corbyn being a threat to national security when they have been getting us involved in wars that result in an ever-increasing terror problem at home, when they have been getting rid of tens of thousands of military personnel, when they have been radically downsizing the emergency services, when they have been selling huge swathes of critical national infrastructure to foreign companies and governments, and when they have been pushing the amount of debt we collectively and individually hold ever upwards.

They would be on better grounds criticizing him for having a beard; at least none of them have one.

Your thinking logically here, and happily Cameron will blame the entire crock of shit Middle East on Labour, despite him continuing the same fucking policies and even improving them.