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littlebabyjesus said:
You say that. But couldn't it also be said that, by playing the long game, he has come out the other side with a chance to remake that deal?

My position on this is that you don't have to be a Labour supporter, a Corbyn supporter, or even a supporter of parliamentary democracy to think that today is a day to cheer. Today is a day when someone who says stuff that I can relate to has achieved a position within the system that means that this kind of stuff will be said far more in the coming years than it has for decades.

One thing I think is a massive mistake is to think that this is some kind of a blow to prospects for change in that it might legitimise the system. A right-wing Labour leader just makes everything worse. Moving even further away from a place you want to be just leaves an even longer journey to get there.
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This in spades.
 
DotCommunist said:
tonybee giving it large now repeating the 'corbyn has never run anything' line. He's been an elected politician all his adult life, he's got a degree of 'running things' that some stuck up guardian journo simply hasn't
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Like Pollee's political career was such a glowing success. :D
 
Doctor Carrot said:
He's just won the leadership of the labour party. I'll ask you too, what are you expecting? What would you have liked him to do?
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He seemed pretty lukewarm about it all at first.

From the Guardian: '...we decided somebody should put their hat in the ring in order to promote that debate. And, unfortunately, it’s my hat in the ring.”

Why did it have to be his hat? “Well, Diane [Abbott] and John [McDonnell] have done it before, so it was my turn.” So he took some persuading? “Yeah. I have never held any appointed office, so in that sense it’s unusual, but if I can promote some causes and debate by doing this, then good. That’s why I’m doing it.” He offers a tiny smile. Blink and you miss it. “At my age I’m not likely to be a long-term contender, am I?” '

He wasn't too enthused about it. So I suppose I would have liked him to be a bit more inspired by the prospect of leading the Labour Party than just saying, "well Diane has had her turn, so now I suppose it's my go".
 
urbanspaceman said:
He seemed pretty lukewarm about it all at first.

From the Guardian: '...we decided somebody should put their hat in the ring in order to promote that debate. And, unfortunately, it’s my hat in the ring.”

Why did it have to be his hat? “Well, Diane [Abbott] and John [McDonnell] have done it before, so it was my turn.” So he took some persuading? “Yeah. I have never held any appointed office, so in that sense it’s unusual, but if I can promote some causes and debate by doing this, then good. That’s why I’m doing it.” He offers a tiny smile. Blink and you miss it. “At my age I’m not likely to be a long-term contender, am I?” '

He wasn't too enthused about it. So I suppose I would have liked him to be a bit more inspired by the prospect of leading the Labour Party than just saying, "well Diane has had her turn, so now I suppose it's my go".
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Or, like most of us, he thought he stood no chance whatever of winning, and he was just being honest about his reasons for standing.

I think more or less the opposite from you on this, I think - I very much like the idea of a reluctant leader, who takes a position because there's nobody else to do it. He's the anti-Blair in that regard. It's not about him, is more or less what he's saying. It's about the things he wants to be done.
 
urbanspaceman said:
He seemed pretty lukewarm about it all at first.

From the Guardian: '...we decided somebody should put their hat in the ring in order to promote that debate. And, unfortunately, it’s my hat in the ring.”

Why did it have to be his hat? “Well, Diane [Abbott] and John [McDonnell] have done it before, so it was my turn.” So he took some persuading? “Yeah. I have never held any appointed office, so in that sense it’s unusual, but if I can promote some causes and debate by doing this, then good. That’s why I’m doing it.” He offers a tiny smile. Blink and you miss it. “At my age I’m not likely to be a long-term contender, am I?” '

He wasn't too enthused about it. So I suppose I would have liked him to be a bit more inspired by the prospect of leading the Labour Party than just saying, "well Diane has had her turn, so now I suppose it's my go".
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Something I hear a fair bit on here, and elsewhere, is that being an MP/PM is one of those jobs where the people who want it most are the people you least want to see doing the job. Jokingly, it's been said that only those who don't want the job should be allowed to do it.

Well, here we are...
 
DotCommunist said:
I'm never voting labour again, the betrayal is not just current it was there from the inception of the party. But it is glorious to see the blairites given a slap. I may have gone 'YOUR BOYS TOOK A HELL OF A BEATING! A HELL OF A BEATING' when the result came in. A sweet sweet temporary victory
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You don't have to be a LP supporter, voter, or otherwise pro-Labour to feel some anti-establishment :thumbs: together with getting some good entertainment today.
 
DotCommunist said:
I'm never voting labour again, the betrayal is not just current it was there from the inception of the party. But it is glorious to see the blairites given a slap. I may have gone 'YOUR BOYS TOOK A HELL OF A BEATING! A HELL OF A BEATING' when the result came in. A sweet sweet temporary victory
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I thought I'd never vote Labour again after Blair, but I may well vote for Corbyn at the next election. I'll see how he does in the meantime but I like what I've heard him say so far. As is usual with me, it'd be a 'lesser of three evils' vote - the concerns that stethoscope and LynnDoyleCooper both mention above ring true with me - but he's the first mainstream politician I've had any time for in a long while.
 
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Fez909 said:
Something I hear a fair bit on here, and elsewhere, is that being an MP/PM is one of those jobs where the people who want it most are the people you least want to see doing the job. Jokingly, it's been said that only those who don't want the job should be allowed to do it.

Well, here we are...
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Yep. And he's not in politics to make himself rich or otherwise indulge in vainglory. That's going to take some getting used to around various media outlets. It will not compute. :)
 
I see that Dan Hodges has a 'the day the Labour party died' article at the Torygraph, I wonder how many times the party has died by his estimation, I seem to remember it also died when Ed Miliband voted against turning the RAF into ISIS' airforce.
 
Don't get me wrong - so sure was I of his prospects that I bet actual money on Corbyn when the odds were 5 to 1 against, and so I've won big today.

But, it seems from posters' comments that his career-long lack of achievement and lack of ambition are being held up as virtues. Not typically the attributes of a successful leader.

"It's about the things he wants to be done." 32 years is a long time to want to do various things, but not actually get anything done.
 
How old is he? He could easily be dead before 2020. Not even joking. (Well, maybe a little.)
 
J Ed said:
I see that Dan Hodges has a 'the day the Labour party died' article at the Torygraph, I wonder how many times the party has died by his estimation, I seem to remember it also died when Ed Miliband voted against turning the RAF into ISIS' airforce.
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That cunt could give Norma Desmond a run for her money. :D
 
urbanspaceman said:
Don't get me wrong - so sure was I of his prospects that I bet actual money on Corbyn when the odds were 5 to 1 against, and so I've won big today.

But, it seems from posters' comments that his career-long lack of achievement and lack of ambition are being held up as virtues. Not typically the attributes of a successful leader.

"It's about the things he wants to be done." 32 years is a long time to want to do various things, but not actually get anything done.
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Lack of ambition? He's chair of the STWC - their aims being to stop the mightiest war machine the world has ever seen. And he's pro-nuclear disarmament - another huge aim.

Is someone who gets their modest aims implemented more or less ambitious than someone who aims high and has not yet achieved?
 
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