Labour leadership
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LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Really mixed feelings about this...
It's a good indicator that this country isn't as Tory and right wing as people often think and does provide a glimmer of hope.
His election might hopefully drag politics leftwards a bit more, and that no doubt will actually make some peoples lives better.
But I think it's going to re-invigorate the Labour Party, which ultimately is of course a lost cause as a vehicle for radical change.
And I think with this we might well see a significant number of people get back involved in parliamentary politics for while.
It's a good indicator that this country isn't as Tory and right wing as people often think and does provide a glimmer of hope.
His election might hopefully drag politics leftwards a bit more, and that no doubt will actually make some peoples lives better.
But I think it's going to re-invigorate the Labour Party, which ultimately is of course a lost cause as a vehicle for radical change.
And I think with this we might well see a significant number of people get back involved in parliamentary politics for while.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Now corrected to remove the references, at least.
Fez909
toilet expert
You can't change anything alone.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Why don't you have a look? You know how to use google don't you?
Tankus
Bemused OAP
Did anyone notice on the beeb some comrade from the BBC was asking the messiah an awkward question outside a pub about Tristram , Reeves and some other geezer (who ? twojag's )resigning from the shadow cabinet ....and a pair of party apparatchiks immediately tried to shut the questioner down and block the cameraman ....Corbyn was having none of it and continued to address the question .....utterly off the cuff.... unscripted
hes so far out of the bubblemachine even the party spad blowers have no control ..... got to be good ..perhaps ?
hes so far out of the bubblemachine even the party spad blowers have no control ..... got to be good ..perhaps ?
Voley
🐭
wtfftw
melting like a toastie
Yeah. Tory woman on sky as well.Yep some tory bloke on the BBC said that about an hour ago. I LOL'd.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Probably but what were you expecting instead? A violent overthrow of the state in the next 5 years? We all know the labour party are shit but this is something. I've never had even a sniff of anything remotely like this in my entire 34 year existence. Save the pissing on the cornflakes for at least a day will you?
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Sellafield is neither of those though, it's a massive complex for nuclear waste decommissioning and reprocessing.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
I strongly disagree, what I see is: TUSC will clearly continue, we are TUSC but we want a large gathering in a nice big building with lots of leftist people who've just become supporters of the LP who soon might be pissed off with their fellow party members, we want to draw them into TUSC (with leaflets about Labour councillors across all sorts of cities enforcing cuts), if we do this well enough we might be able to provoke a left-right split in Labour and TUSC can merge with the left split and become a British Linkspartei.
urbanspaceman
Well-Known Member
I did actually. I couldn't find anything apart from membership of a few parliamentary select committees. He is a member of lots of non-parliamentary groups and societies.
But I couldn't find anything he has actually done.
rekil
to menny cranks
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
He's just won the leadership of the labour party. I'll ask you too, what are you expecting? What would you have liked him to do?
free spirit
more tea vicar?
not selling out in that entire 32 year span in parliament is an achievement that few seem to manage.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Not selling out, or not leaving a Party that should have been left as a bad deal years and years ago?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Like many of her contemporaries, Reeves has very little hinterland. There's not a lot to be positive about, unless you're into neoliberal-lite policy.
Haven't even got their shit together to articulate what if anything they're claiming it signifies. The statement and ~ 15 pictures are supposed to be an articulation all by themselves! One which almost wordlessly makes common sense of sneering at a half million strong democratic event.
I wonder if Elledge will venture some contestable claims about this stuff later on, what it demonstrates about the current Labour party, or whether he'll stay safely pictorial.
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LDC
On est tous des pangolins
I'll stop pissing on the cornflakes when everybody stops thinking they're coco pops with gold sprinkles on.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
tonybee giving it large now repeating the 'corbyn has never run anything' line. He's been an elected politician all his adult life, he's got a degree of 'running things' that some stuck up guardian journo simply hasn't
oryx
Sitting on the bok of the day
Haven't noticed any of these people who've oh so suddenly embraced diversity raving about the fact that Labour have chosen a man of working class, state-educated, Asian heritage as mayoral candidate.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
You say that. But couldn't it also be said that, by playing the long game, he has come out the other side with a chance to remake that deal?
My position on this is that you don't have to be a Labour supporter, a Corbyn supporter, or even a supporter of parliamentary democracy to think that today is a day to cheer. Today is a day when someone who says stuff that I can relate to has achieved a position within the system that means that this kind of stuff will be said far more in the coming years than it has for decades.
One thing I think is a massive mistake is to think that this is some kind of a blow to prospects for change in that it might legitimise the system. A right-wing Labour leader just makes everything worse. Moving even further away from a place you want to be just leaves an even longer journey to get there.
sheothebudworths
Up the bum - no babies!!!
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
urbanspaceman
Well-Known Member
Surely that's something of a negative achievement, as it means that Corbyn has been unable to influence Labour policy in any way at all for the past 32 years.
Surely "selling out" is the more the sort of thing you worry about if you're in a rock band, rather than if you're an elected representative of a major political party that wants to improve the direction and happiness of a country of 65 million people.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Worst publication in Britain.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
If he's serious about the re-democratisation of CLPs, then Corbyn's personal view doesn't matter, what matters is whether those CLPs want that power back.
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