Labour leadership
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JHE
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The Panorama programme looks potentially interesting, though IIRC John Ware specialises in exposing corruption and other wrong-doing, so maybe there'll be an attempt at a shock-horror exposé.
I'm not sure of the significance of his attending this conference in Egypt. It seems highly unlikely that he has ever explicitly asked anyone to kill British troops and if other people at the same conference did, that's hardly damning of Corbyn.
We all know Corbyn's sympathetic to Irish Republicanism and was before the IRA gave up killing people. We also know that he's highly indulgent of Islamists and is against Israel. I doubt there's any great surprise in the programme.
If I manage to watch it, it'll be to see if there's some insight into the apparent success of his leadership campaign, not to be horrified by his snuggling up to Moss Bros or other loathsome creatures.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Tbh he was/is the chairman of stwc. His connections with this stuff are quite widely known anyway.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
that's very good of you
JimW
支那暗杀团
This may come back to haunt you in some future leadership bid, killer b!
I can't decide whether it was or wasn't a hatchet job, it did show the support he has, however it did basically question if he was electable, which I'm not sure is the job of a documentary maker, I look forward to Ware investigating Boris and especially the Dappy affair.
it was certainly a hatchet job on Len though.
it was certainly a hatchet job on Len though.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Two-thirds of people think Jeremy Corbyn is unlikely to win the next election
Two thirds of people think Corbyn is unlikely to win a majority at the next election, according to a poll.
The Independent conspicuously misses off the figures for the other candidates.
Two thirds of people think Corbyn is unlikely to win a majority at the next election, according to a poll.
The Independent conspicuously misses off the figures for the other candidates.
Why should he apologise for his STWC links? Millions of people supported and probably still support them including myself. You are confusing them with some of the Muslim groups who also supported them for obvious reasons. If these groups had gender segregated meetings and downgraded gay rights that is their choice but the issue of the war being illegal and undesirable is not affected by who supports STWC. This is an attempt at the old "guilt by association" charge.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I'm not suggesting he should apologise, just saying the press would have had more to go on with the domestic stuff if they wanted to play that game.
Having said that I disagree that the stwc as a national org had no responsibility for things done by it's own members. It was Lindsay German after all who came out with the shibboleths comment. Anyway, I digress. My point was the press are throwing pretty weak punches with this Cairo conference crap.
Having said that I disagree that the stwc as a national org had no responsibility for things done by it's own members. It was Lindsay German after all who came out with the shibboleths comment. Anyway, I digress. My point was the press are throwing pretty weak punches with this Cairo conference crap.
The STWC is not a membership organisation, it is just a coalition. Lindsay German doesn't represent anyone apart from herself. She was a "convener" whatever that is, and not elected.
Yes I agree about the weak punches, they are just playing a game called "lets make trouble for Corbyn" because he has been a minority opinion during the years of Blairism and the media assumes that Blairism still holds sway.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
He certainly makes some reasonable points about the style of corbyn and his leadership events. This was also roughly what I saw in Middlesbrough in terms of who was attending: "I think I spotted a social trend. There were plenty of young people, in their early twenties, many in couples. And there were plenty of people of my age-group – late 50s upwards. But I rather think those in between were more thinly represented."
I suspect Labour have a better chance of winning if he wins and they challenge the Tories from the centre/social democratic left, speaking in reasonably straightforward terms, thinning the spin out. Certainly more chance than contesting the thing as blairite neoliberal aspirationishts. However I also suspect, even though he doesn't think about it in terms of class forces, he might also be right about a corbo version of Labour not quite getting there in terms of mass appeal. We'll see, it will certainly be interesting to see what happens if you get a party leader communicating in a straightforward way, rooted in principle. I'm not a 3 quidder and actually find it a bit depressing to see thousands of people turning up to these events but nowhere to be seen when it comes to direct class struggle. Same time it will be interesting and I hope he wins.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Bizarre story of Tory Minister simultaneously being a member of Labour (now expelled) + large number still haven't got ballot paper:
Tory minister Ros Altmann expelled from Labour party
Tory minister Ros Altmann expelled from Labour party
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Good post that Wilf & I think that's exactly the challenge for the Corbyn/Owen Jones/etc project of rebuilding a social democrat party. If the £3 supporters don't join in significant numbers and get their hands dirty in the wards and CLPs then the bubble will burst very quickly.
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Harman didn't sign a declaration that "authorised" armed force.
He signed a declaration that proposed the use of armed force.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Two-thirds of people think Jeremy Corbyn is unlikely to win the next election
Two thirds of people think Corbyn is unlikely to win a majority at the next election, according to a poll.
The Independent conspicuously misses off the figures for the other candidates.
I think the whole unelectable thing is balls anyway, its his actions in the 4 years after (if?) he's made leader that will show if he's electable or not.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
No more so than the constant media monstering.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
He signed a declaration that pretty much just stated that it is legitimate for citizens of an invaded country to resist the invaders. I'm fairly sure such a "right" has been accepted in international law for the last 60 years or so.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
It's John Ware. He has form for partiality.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Probably recalling what him and some of his mates did in Sheffield back when he was gauleiter.
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