Labour leadership

[Argonia]

Billy Bragg backs Corbychev

 

[DotCommunist]

astonishing

 

[jd79]

Ambient 1 : Music for Airports Jeremy Corbyn.

 

[tommers]

Oh well. Nice while it lasted.

 

[Cid]

Not sure I can stomach voting alongside that string of shits.

 

[Wilf]

"Here come the warm Jez"

Baby's on fire.

 

[brogdale]

This looks interesting...

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Time to oil the Purdey's Mr. brogdale ?

 

[sleaterkinney]

I'd vote for Corbyn. It's something different and will shake up the Labour party. I don't think he will win any general election - he probably won't last that long, but it will be interesting while it lasts.

 

[laptop]

he probably won't last that long, but it will be interesting while it lasts.

And that, I suspect, is why he stood in the first place.

 

[laptop]

And that, I suspect, is why he stood in the first place.

By which I mean: that's all he hoped to achieve.

 

[bendeus]

By which I mean: that's all he hoped to achieve.

So hypothetically speaking, and if that is the case, how does Corbyn reform the Labour Party and ensure a succession that guarantees his anti-austerity agenda with a meaningful candidate going into the next election? How does he ride the bull, get off the bull, and then select and anoint another bull rider of a similar stripe without the Blairite snakes derailing the whole thing? (apologies for all the animals)

 

[Puddy_Tat]

So hypothetically speaking, and if that is the case, how does Corbyn reform the Labour Party and ensure a succession that guarantees his anti-austerity agenda with a meaningful candidate going into the next election? How does he ride the bull, get off the bull, and then select and anoint another bull rider of a similar stripe without the Blairite snakes derailing the whole thing? (apologies for all the animals)

re-education camp for the blairite MPs for a start...

more seriously, the only direction that stands a chance is to give back a lot of the powers that blair centralised away from local parties as regards selection of MP, policy direction, election of the national executive committee, and so on

 

[bendeus]

re-education camp for the blairite MPs for a start...

more seriously, the only direction that stands a chance is to give back a lot of the powers that blair centralised away from local parties as regards selection of MP, policy direction, election of the national executive committee, and so on

Thanks. Excuse my ignorance: how easy or difficult would it be for him to do this?

 

[Puddy_Tat]

Thanks. Excuse my ignorance: how easy or difficult would it be for him to do this?

dunno. i'm not sufficiently up on just how the party machine works these days.

i presume the blairite changes must somehow have got shoved through a party conference

 

[two sheds]

Presumably if things were changed so that the wider membership were given ultimate control, the party would have to convince the wider membership to recentralize decisions*.

*but I actually have no fucking idea**

**this label can be attached to most of my posts.

 

[DotCommunist]

Stand in your dinner another variation

how does the second bit go 'Wave your fork and not your knife'?

 

[Plumdaff]

Forget the pollsters he must be winning if such consummate band wagon fuckwits as Bragg and Brand are belatedly on board. Never known a cause they wouldn't support without personal risk.

 

[Favelado]

how does the second bit go 'Wave your fork and not your knife'?

That sounds right but the kid I remember singing it did "Stand in your dinner, your mother or your wife"

Better with the cutlery ending.

 

[Kaka Tim]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-me-the-grassroots-will-rise-up-10462770.html

Corbyn signalling he wants to give the membership a bigger role and says that the PLP should not in the way of that. So basically a call for labour to be a far more democratic movement - although the article trys to make that sound like he's some kind of tyrant.

 

[imposs1904]

Brian Eno on Corbychev: I trust him.

Why the fuck would Eno wear glasses that make him look like Gary Glitter?

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

I heard Gary Glitter supports Corbyn

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Out of the number of people who voted - the popular vote - they have a majority, hence they have a popular majority.

You may have been confusing the phrase with an absolute majority or some other kind of supermajority...

No - that is a simple majority and a popular majority.

The country was quorate, the vote happened and the result stands - the popular vote went with the Tories.

To pretend otherwise is quite frankly ridiculous.

A popular majority, is a majority of the valid votes cast. The Tories have such a majority in a number of constituencies; they do not have it across the UK...'to pretend otherwise is frankly ridiculous'.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Louis MacNeice]

This is quite frankly absurd - a loss of an election is not a loss, it's merely a misrepresentation!

Bonkers, absolutely bonkers!

Nobody is saying that the Tories didn't win the election and that Labour didn't loose. They are pointing out the stupid hyperbole of your assertion that the country wants a Tory government and all the other associated garbage that has flowed from that idiotic statement.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[brogdale]

Has he fucked off now?

 

[brogdale]

I heard Gary Glitter supports Corbyn

Though JC is in the clear on this one...

 

[Diamond]

Nobody is saying that the Tories didn't win the election and that Labour didn't loose. They are pointing out the stupid hyperbole of your assertion that the country wants a Tory government and all the other associated garbage that has flowed from that idiotic statement.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

Weren't you trying to make cheap points about typos yesterday?

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Weren't you trying to make cheap points about typos yesterday?

I was pointing out your lack of attention to even simple detail, much as I've just done.

So back to the substance; given that the Conservatives attracted about 24% of the available vote and about 37% of the votes cast, what exactly constitutes this country that want a Tory government? It isn't the population of the UK, or the population of the UK registered to vote, or even the population of the UK registered to vote who actually did so; what exactly is the country that you so confidently asserts wants a Tory government?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[killer b]

Do we have to have another day of this?

 

[Athos]

It would be crazy for the Labour Party to move even further towards the Tories, given that most people in the country (about three quarters) don't want Tory policies.