Labour & Anti-Semitism.

[brogdale]

I think it was just being talked about as (further) evidence of LP blindness to cultural sensitivities around jewish holidays etc, not that there was some ulterior motive to it tbf. What ulterior motive could there be?

Trouble is, there can't be that many weeks in the year without one sort of supernatural festival date. Privileging one supernatural belief system over others seems a slippery slope.

 

[killer b]

Maybe if you have a jewish MP and are in the middle of a lengthy poisonous row about antisemitism it's a good idea to avoid these kinds of charges being levelled at you is all. It's very easy to check a calendar.

 

[brogdale]

Maybe if you have a jewish MP and are in the middle of a lengthy poisonous row about antisemitism it's a good idea to avoid these kinds of charges being levelled at you is all. It's very easy to check a calendar.

Especially easy if you have a staffed office to do that sort of stuff for you. Seems like she didn't object to the dates when published?

 

[killer b]

So what?

 

[brogdale]

So what?

Yep, that's what I thought about the sleaterkinney post.

 

[Pickman's model]

Trouble is, there can't be that many weeks in the year without one sort of supernatural festival date. Privileging one supernatural belief system over others seems a slippery slope.

there are a few days in the year which would stand out. christmas. easter. yom kippur. passover. eid. sad to say i don't suppose they'd mark the three days when crowley received the books of the law from aiwass: but i am surprised that this mp didn't point out that perhaps something on yom kippur wouldn't a good idea in advance.

 

[killer b]

Yep, that's what I thought about the sleaterkinney post.

Labour Left members in Ellman's seat know that she is jewish, and know that she will use whatever weapons are at her disposal to attack them and the Labour leadership - so why hand her one? Of course she sat on it until it could cause the most damage.

 

[brogdale]

Labour Left members in Ellman's seat know that she is jewish, and know that she will use whatever weapons are at her disposal to attack them and the Labour leadership - so why hand her one? Of course she sat on it until it could cause the most damage.

More importantly, the membership knew she wasn't Labour, as she's just proved.

 

[kebabking]

More importantly, the membership knew she wasn't Labour, as she's just proved.

I find it difficult to understand how she's not Labour, given that she's been a member for 50 years - she may not be your particular cup of Labour tea, but the idea that she's not Labour is just utter cock.

Corbyn wasn't in the fashionable - or electorally successful - bit of Labour for 25 years, he was just a crank on the outside edge of the party, but even when Blair was winning majorities of 170+, Corbyn was still Labour.

I'm rather reminded of the creep Aaron Banks telling people like Hammond, Soames, Clarke and Stewart that they were never conservatives - deranged howlings of a Fuckwit.

 

[brogdale]

I find it difficult to understand how she's not Labour, given that she's been a member for 50 years - she may not be your particular cup of Labour tea, but the idea that she's not Labour is just utter cock.

Had she not left the party, that claim could have been put to the test of a democratic vote amongst her CLP's members. That's how a democratic socialist party works, no?
But she chose to leave and attempt to cause as much damage as possible in doing so.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Had she not left the party, that claim could have been put to the test of a democratic vote amongst her CLP's members. That's how a democratic socialist party works, no?
But she chose to leave and attempt to cause as much damage as possible in doing so.

All aboard the lib dem gravy train!

 

[belboid]

I think it was just being talked about as (further) evidence of LP blindness to cultural sensitivities around jewish holidays etc, not that there was some ulterior motive to it tbf. What ulterior motive could there be?

That's bollocks though. Ellman could have objected to the date when it was announced, she didn't. No one did. It is nothing to do with 'blindness to cultural sensitivities' it's just the calendar. Anyone making that argument is a disingenuous fuckwit.

 

[killer b]

That's bollocks though. Ellman could have objected to the date when it was announced, she didn't. No one did. It is nothing to do with 'blindness to cultural sensitivities' it's just the calendar. Anyone making that argument is a disingenuous fuckwit.

but really, so what?

Maybe if you have a jewish MP and are in the middle of a lengthy poisonous row about antisemitism it's a good idea to avoid these kinds of charges being levelled at you is all. It's very easy to check a calendar.

 

[belboid]

So you'd have let Ellman remain an MP. Because of the date.

 

[killer b]

or had the contentious meeting on a different date, after checking the calendar

 

[brogdale]

or had the contentious meeting on a different date, after checking the calendar

GCs/AMMs aren't really contentious, though, are they?
All part of the democracy of the party.

 

[sleaterkinney]

GCs/AMMs aren't really contentious, though, are they?
All part of the democracy of the party.

It was a no confidence motion, couldn't they have called it on a different date?.

Dame Louise Ellman: Labour group's Yom Kippur action condemned

 

[belboid]

or had the contentious meeting on a different date, after checking the calendar

Not actually possible, for the reasons I said before. It is a national decision about the time period for trigger ballots (basically, October) and the local party would have announced the date for the October meeting ten months previously. You can't just change it at the last minute, it's against the rules. And any attempt to do so would probably be seen as an attempt at fixing it anyway.

That was the only time it could be done.

hmm, SK's link implies it wasn't a trigger ballot, although this is the time for them. Either way, its jsut the normal meeting date, and this is when it would have to be done in order to have time to select a new MP.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Yep, that's what I thought about the sleaterkinney post.

Indeed.

 

[killer b]

It was a worthless and non-binding motion of no confidence, not a trigger ballot. they could have had one at the next meeting instead if they really wanted to.

 

[belboid]

It was a worthless and non-binding motion of no confidence, not a trigger ballot. they could have had one at the next meeting instead if they really wanted to.

Too late to select a new MP tho, which is the entire point. And it's got rid of the shit, so job done.

 

[killer b]

jesus

 

[killer b]

it's just fine everyone thinks we're massive racists, as long as we've won this particular factional fight.

 

[belboid]

it's just fine if we completely misrepresent reality to push a right-wing agenda as long as we find a couple of fools to agree with us

 

[belboid]

Actually, the no confidence motion had been withdrawn to clear the way for a trigger ballot. So this heinous motion wasn't actually happening at all.

You've been had.

 

[killer b]

Actually, the no confidence motion had been withdrawn to clear the way for a trigger ballot. So this heinous motion wasn't actually happening at all.

You've been had.

Maybe it was, but the specific complaint was about the tabling of the no confidence motion, so whether it was withdrawn or not is moot. It was still tabled, and whoever tabled it could have checked the calendar.

 

[belboid]

Maybe it was, but the specific complaint was about the tabling of the no confidence motion, so whether it was withdrawn or not is moot. It was still tabled, and whoever tabled it could have checked the calendar.

oh for gods sake. Risible. They do what you want, but it still isn't good enough. Almost as if they cant win and the date of the meeting is entirely irrelevant.

A shit quits before she gets sacked, so tries any bullshit tactics to cover herself. More fool you for falling for it.

 

[treelover]

SWP style/sect politics entering the L/P.

 

[killer b]

They do what you want

was this before or after it was all over the national press?

 

[brogdale]

SWP style/sect politics entering the L/P.

Socialists, I think.