Labour & Anti-Semitism.
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Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
There are lots of ways of presenting that. 6 points up or how many down on 4 or 5 months ago? What’s the likelihood of the Brexit Party standing against a Johnson Govt in a GE? What does that then do to the Tory vote? What’s the buzz around Labour? Feels positive? Everyone getting on well? Corbyn popularity polling well?
Head in the sand if you think Labour can just carry on regardless.
Corbyn and his supporters passionate support for the Palestinian causes leaves him open to anti semitism accusations.
There is nothing anti semitic about criticising the Israeli government and criticising its actions in Palestine but that can easily spill over into anti semitism.
Sadly we've seen that far too often in the Labour Party since Corbyn has been leader. That's a damning indictment of him and not the nicer politics he promised.
There is nothing anti semitic about criticising the Israeli government and criticising its actions in Palestine but that can easily spill over into anti semitism.
Sadly we've seen that far too often in the Labour Party since Corbyn has been leader. That's a damning indictment of him and not the nicer politics he promised.
I know. Where do we start?
Sharing platforms with anti semites, not recognising Hamas as a terror organisation and not knowing an anti semitic trope on a mural when it's staring him in the face.
There just a few things Mr Corbyn is known to have done.
Anyone who calls themselves left wing, as I proudly do, should find anti semitism to be completely abhorrent and nothing more than vile racism. Sadly some people who identify themselves as being on the left seem far too comfortable with it.
Sharing platforms with anti semites, not recognising Hamas as a terror organisation and not knowing an anti semitic trope on a mural when it's staring him in the face.
There just a few things Mr Corbyn is known to have done.
Anyone who calls themselves left wing, as I proudly do, should find anti semitism to be completely abhorrent and nothing more than vile racism. Sadly some people who identify themselves as being on the left seem far too comfortable with it.
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
You do realise that the anti-semite that Corbyn "shared a platform with" (the one who compared Israel to the Nazis) was not only Jewish but also an Auschwitz survivor?
Also, Jewish voice for Labour think its bollocks:Labour’s Anti-Semitism “Crisis” is Bollocks
Smangus
comatose at a desk
He's shared it with more than one. next
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
Has he?
Name them.
Also; are you telling me that you think a Jewish holocaust survivor is in any way an anti semite?
toblerone3
Grrrrr
Having trouble following the twists and turns of the arguments on this thread but could somebody help me with the following. I have googled "Labour anti-semitic social media posts" on image search and not very much is coming up. Why are there so few screengrabs of anti-semitic posts? Am I missing something? Is there a better way to search?
Smangus
comatose at a desk
Hamas
Maher Taher
Khaled Mashaal
Leila Kahled
Dyab Abou Jahjah
No, you miss my point, citing the background of 1 example to discount it doesn't mean there are not others.
toblerone3
Grrrrr
One of the interviewees in the Panorma programme says that "in labour party meetings we've seen people engage in holocaust denial...." Does this ring true?
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
It wouldn't remotely surprise me.
I've sat in Branch and CLP meetings where it's been said that Jews only go on about the Holocaust to distract attention from Israel, I remember one member - while we were talking about the failures of the Soviet Union - claim that it's greatest failure was in not giving nukes to the Syrians so they could have destroyed Israel in the 67 or 73 wars, and she wasn't joking.. I've heard an LP member, though not in an LP setting, say that the numbers killed in the Holocaust were inflated by the Jewish lobby and that they (the 'they' of international finance, meaning Jewish bankers) bribe politicians to set up Holocaust memorials and museums to peddle the lies and misrepresentations and to secure public sympathy for the Jews and Israel.
Apart from actual, outright denial that lots of Jews were murdered in camps by the Nazi's, pretty much anything you might read on a far right website about Jews, Israel, and the 'Holocaust industry' can be heard from a small minority within the LP.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Did she wake up that morning and think "Hmmm, what can I say that will absolutely 100% definitely get me sacked today?" FFS.
cupid_stunt
Where's the bloody sun?
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
She's one of his critics - she signed that letter the other day. I don't think she's that career minded.
It's amusing, given the context, but actually i'm wondering what other comparison would work - is there another example of bunker mentality that's well established on the public discourse?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
She's just learnt that the phrase, if used, is probably best left unexemplified.
The inevitable consequence of a shadow minister comparing their party leader to Hitler is their sacking, and the people performing their outrage about this across the media this morning are the most ludicrous hacks imaginable. My eyes rolled so hard I think I've pulled something.
andysays
Love and solidarity
I wonder if she's posted one of those Downfall parody things on YouTube
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Yeah, when I heard the news that was what popped into my head. Surely there's already a Corbyn/Downfall thing somewhere?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
those things jumped the shark years ago
What's the solution here (with a view to making labour electable so as to oust fucking Boris Trump)?
Cobyn isn't going anywhere unless he stands down and that doesn't seem to be his desire. His opponents are not people I want in charge, even if the claims about Corbyn and the cranks are true. They also won't win a leadership challenge.
Meanwhile I hear a rumour that Boris could plan a GE next year to capitalise on Labour's 'chaos'. I've no idea if that would work or not.
I am however sick of this situation. Labour, at the very least, should be leaping ahead in the polls.
Cobyn isn't going anywhere unless he stands down and that doesn't seem to be his desire. His opponents are not people I want in charge, even if the claims about Corbyn and the cranks are true. They also won't win a leadership challenge.
Meanwhile I hear a rumour that Boris could plan a GE next year to capitalise on Labour's 'chaos'. I've no idea if that would work or not.
I am however sick of this situation. Labour, at the very least, should be leaping ahead in the polls.
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
So long as the Labour leadership prevaricates, Corbyn’s enemies (within and outwith Labour) can capitalise on the prevarication.
The whole problem is the “if”.
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
Probably not now.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Some expulsions, political education, and getting a grip of local branches and Momentum might have helped a while ago, now I'm not so sure it can be done. It's a problem in the left outside the Labour party as well, and that's not being dealt with either.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Don't know if everyone can access it (£wall?) but Will Davies' recent LRB piece attempts to address the current failure of the 'main' parties to effectively manufacture the impression of consent.
LRB · William Davies · They don’t even need ideas: Take Nigel Farage ...
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Obviously deliberate provocation from Hayter and of course the anti corbyn factions like labour first use antisemitism as a factional stick but the stick only works if you give it to them
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