Labour & Anti-Semitism.

[19force8]

Williamson is a wrecker who should be fucked off. Wherever the line is to be drawn, it shouldn't be under him.

Like I said - witch hunts 101

 

[killer b]

throw him under an actual bus.

 

[Rivendelboy]

A good number of my mates left in the party cancelled their membership when Williamson was re-admitted the other week. Keeping him in has a cost too. Who cares what the cranks do once they've left?

You care because in or out they still have a vote during a GE.

 

[killer b]

There isn't very many of them though. The votes lost by them leaving (and who else would they vote for anyway?) would be - at most - tens to hundreds in any given constituency. absolutely fuck all.

 

[Proper Tidy]

I'm sure the net loss of 0.001% across each constituency would be sustainable

 

[Rivendelboy]

yep, which was f*cking disgraceful - jewish lefty, bit obsessed, too close to the LLV uber cranks to be trusted in any political sense, but for the Gnasher / 12 Scouts crew to turn his life upside down cos they disagreed with his politics is just bollocks - yet again they're simply arming the cranks to the teeth, whilst achieving nothing in the actual fight against AS - fuck them

Wait, Labour Left Voice are bad as well?

Just who can be trusted in all of this? Piecing it together is a farking nightmare!

 

[cantsin]

Wait, Labour Left Voice are bad as well?

Just who can be trusted in all of this? Piecing it together is a farking nightmare!

the whole thing's a stinking mess, and it's never easy to know who to trust on either side, but I remember first hand LLV / Sally Easman being dodgy as f*ck ( and by first hand, as in, I remember the early LLV tweets, before she got a bit cleverer, and am not just using the unnamed source below )

Labour’s left voice of Holocaust denialLabour’s left voice of Holocaust denial

 

[Geri]

yep, which was f*cking disgraceful - jewish lefty, bit obsessed, too close to the LLV uber cranks to be trusted in any political sense, but for the Gnasher / 12 Scouts crew to turn his life upside down cos they disagreed with his politics is just bollocks - yet again they're simply arming the cranks to the teeth, whilst achieving nothing in the actual fight against AS - fuck them

Although apparently (I say this because I've never seen any tweets from this account) he was encouraging people to do the same.

 

[cantsin]

Although apparently (I say this because I've never seen any tweets from this account) he was encouraging people to do the same.

that would put a whole different angle on it for me, will keep eyes open for evidence ( takes deep breath, resolves not to go screaming off to twatter to search )

 

[Rivendelboy]

the whole thing's a stinking mess, and it's never easy to know who to trust on either side, but I remember first hand LLV / Sally Easman being dodgy as f*ck ( and by first hand, as in, I remember the early LLV tweets, before she got a bit cleverer, and am not just using the unnamed source below )

Labour’s left voice of Holocaust denialLabour’s left voice of Holocaust denial

Thanks. Can I ask, is that representative of the group? Or is that person the sole owner of that account?

No excuse for holocaust denial ffs

 

[LDC]

the whole thing's a stinking mess, and it's never easy to know who to trust on either side, but I remember first hand LLV / Sally Easman being dodgy as f*ck ( and by first hand, as in, I remember the early LLV tweets, before she got a bit cleverer, and am not just using the unnamed source below )

Labour’s left voice of Holocaust denialLabour’s left voice of Holocaust denial

The Canary and Kerry-Anne Mendoza making an appearance in there, no surprise there. They're fucking poison, sooner they collapse the better.

 

[killer b]

Labour Left Voice isn't a group, it's one person.

 

[Rivendelboy]

Labour Left Voice isn't a group, it's one person.

Ok, thanks. I did actually think it was a group.

Also does anyone know the truth of this claim:

I don't know the guy (hope to god I've not linked to a racist!), but his argument is that the reason Labour are struggling to deal with allegations of antisemitism is because Ian McNichol took all the casework with him (bizarrely) when he left and Jennie Formby has been trying to clear the backlog which hasn't been made easier by not having access to the case files.

Or something.

 

[LDC]

his argument is that the reason Labour are struggling to deal with allegations of antisemitism is because Ian McNichol took all the casework with him (bizarrely) when he left and Jennie Formby has been trying to clear the backlog which hasn't been made easier by not having access to the case files.

Or something.

And the dog ate my homework.

 

[killer b]

Ok, thanks. I did actually think it was a group.

I guess that's what they want you to think.

 

[Rivendelboy]

And the dog ate my homework.

Ok, fair enough. I didn't really know either way. As I've said it's tough to learn the truth about all this (or I'm fucking lazy).

 

[LDC]

Ok, fair enough. I didn't really know either way. As I've said it's tough to learn the truth about all this (or I'm fucking lazy).

I was only raising a skeptical eyebrow, I have no idea either way if that's the real reason for the delays.

 

[cantsin]

Labour Left Voice isn't a group, it's one person.

Though in response to the above , Easman has now managed to draft in others to help spread the load / try and add some legitimacy, eg : ‘ Wolfie “ etc

 

[cantsin]

Ok, thanks. I did actually think it was a group.

Also does anyone know the truth of this claim:

I don't know the guy (hope to god I've not linked to a racist!), but his argument is that the reason Labour are struggling to deal with allegations of antisemitism is because Ian McNichol took all the casework with him (bizarrely) when he left and Jennie Formby has been trying to clear the backlog which hasn't been made easier by not having access to the case files.

Or something.

That all as maybe but Damo here was last night calling mark steel a ‘ has been ‘ and ‘ defender of apartheid ‘ for making a v anodyne comment re : a fairly reasoned ( tho wring imo ) attempt to debunk the Graun / 100 Jewish signatories letter ( which Easman signed ) - net result , Steel , after 30 Years of activism / solidarity reflecting on whether the games up in LP - tldr : Damos another plonker

 

[Rivendelboy]

That all as maybe but Damo here was last night calling mark steel a ‘ has been ‘ and ‘ defender of apartheid ‘ for making a v anodyne comment re : a fairly reasoned ( tho wring imo ) attempt to debunk the Graun / 100 Jewish signatories letter ( which Easman signed ) - net result , Steel , after 30 Years of activism / solidarity reflecting on whether the games up in LP - tldr : Damos another plonker

That doesn't appear to be the same person I had cited. Have I misunderstood?

 

[cantsin]

That doesn't appear to be the same person I had cited. Have I misunderstood?

shit no, sorry, was looking on phone ( the Corbyn excuse - it really is a factor when it comes to images / photos etc imo )

 

[19force8]

That all as maybe but Damo here was last night calling mark steel a ‘ has been ‘ and ‘ defender of apartheid ‘ for making a v anodyne comment re : a fairly reasoned ( tho wring imo ) attempt to debunk the Graun / 100 Jewish signatories letter ( which Easman signed ) - net result , Steel , after 30 Years of activism / solidarity reflecting on whether the games up in LP - tldr : Damos another plonker

Hmm, looks to me like he was calling Ally the apartheid apologist. Which seems standard fare in this milieu. No idea if it's justified though.

 

[Mr Moose]

And the dog ate my homework.

The files thing sounds like cobblers. An individual can’t simply waltz off with an organisation’s files, which are in any case, surely on a computer and not in a carrier bag.

This aside, disciplinaries in any organisation can be a nightmare. Most organisations or regulators take months/years to conclude them especially when it gets lawyery.

That doesn’t excuse the poor job done around the suspensions of some individuals like Williamson, (or the initial lack of action wholesale) but there is also likely to be some people in there trying to do an honest job. Whether they are being deliberately frustrated in it would need evidencing.

It also doesn’t excuse the apparent inability of the leader to win friends in the Jewish community and reassure.

 

[chilango]

I've got Panorama on in the background, not really watching it, but what's washing over me is not good.

 

[Rivendelboy]

The files thing sounds like cobblers. An individual can’t simply waltz off with an organisation’s files, which are in any case, surely on a computer and not in a carrier bag.

This aside, disciplinaries in any organisation can be a nightmare. Most organisations or regulators take months/years to conclude them especially when it gets lawyery.

That doesn’t excuse the poor job done around the suspensions of some individuals like Williamson, (or the initial lack of action wholesale) but there is also likely to be some people in there trying to do an honest job. Whether they are being deliberately frustrated in it would need evidencing.

It also doesn’t excuse the apparent inability of the leader to win friends in the Jewish community and reassure.

I asked the guy for a source and he got back to me with a Skwawkbox link. I gather they aren't taken super seriously on here, but it's presented for consideration. I'm not sure whether or not to trust the Skwawkbox, but I've never dived deeply enough to find out.

Excl: departing right-wing Labour staff ‘shredded’ 1000s of disciplinary docs – but gave copies to press

Doesn't really present anything unless you're prepared to trust the site.

 

[killer b]

I'm not sure whether or not to trust the Skwawkbox, but I've never dived deeply enough to find out.

Why wouldn't you, before sharing their content?

 

[Proper Tidy]

Didn't watch panorama, should I bother?

 

[Whagwan]

Thread here detailling the claimed lies of omission in it:

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Didn't watch panorama, should I bother?

Not really. There was nothing new in it. The programme did come over as a load of Blairite spinning designed to damage their opponents. The evidence base for their claims was thin to put it mildly.

That’s not to detract from the very real issues that arise from Corbyn’s ‘anti-imperialism of fools’ worldview, or the undoubted presence of large numbers of cranks and even genuine racists among the labour hinterland. But last nights ‘expose’ added nothing in my view.

 

[Rivendelboy]

Why wouldn't you, before sharing their content?

I am just doing my due diligence
. I quoted that guy and it seems only fair to mention his response and put it in context

I don't think one quote from the skwawk is a problem