I think this is what's baffled me about Mclusky's article in the Statesman - why now? The conversation has moved on.
Labour & Anti-Semitism.
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
This is just how slow ponderous beasts on 150 grand a year shouting about "reactionary elements" like it's the 30s roll.
The Flying Pig
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Best leave it to local Labour activists to resolve.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Oh right? The one's where holocaust denial is fine? I thought that you anarchists for labour would have stamped that out. Or is your oddessy only beginning
bemused
Well-Known Member
Given in a few weeks he'd be able to trumpet a Labour success in the locals and how the MPs he doesn't like are on the wrong side of the argument - it seems shit timing.
Maybe rallying the united left in unite in the event of a general secretary rerun ?
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Formby is GS. This is the endorsement of her plan by the tops, which is also owned by the tops.
A political education programme, a top down ‘implementation’ of the Shami Chakrabarti report, a plan to help members identify grotesque racism (in case they missed it) and more importantly a message that the dead end politics of labour won’t be deflected by concerns about those around it
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
I don’t know the full facts so can’t say whether expulsion was the only option, but it appeared wrong to me to attempt to derail an important event with a load of ‘what about something else’.
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
It wasn't anti-Semitism but bringing the party into disrepute.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I.e bullying anti-semitism. I think everyone understood what he is accused of.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
It's being very heavily (if maybe deniably) headlined as being for anti-semitism though. e.g. Labour activist Marc Wadsworth expelled from party over antisemitism row
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
His own defence was that he didn't realise that Ruth Smeeth was Jewish. So he himself places it within the anti-semitism thing.
butchersapron
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And was it the gerry 'support ISIS as they are against Israel' wing of Labour against the witchhunt or tony 'there is nothing anti-semitic about this mural' greenstein that turned up to support him?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Smeeth claimed it was anti-semitic, and the cabal of right-wing MP's supported her. It really is one of the daftest cases, he slagged her off (at the launch of the Chakrabarti report) for 'working hand in hand' with the Telegraph. Which is far enough really. Another one of those 'not the most tactful thing in the world to do, but not anti-semitic' events
butchersapron
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Oh i know what happened - or at least what was filmed and posted on here at the time. I was making clear that he too saw his actions and defended himself within the rubric of anti-semitism in the labour party. The idea that certain actions are ok if you are unaware that someone is jewish is more than reprehensible. It's racist.
GarveyLives
Well-Known Member
Can anyone clarify exactly what Mr Wadsworth said or did that led to his expulsion?
Thank you.
Thank you.
pseudonarcissus
fluttering and dancing
It’s largely guilt by association, shared platforms and the like...then not dumping Ken when he stupidly courted the limelight rather than engaging his brain, then being seen to do too little. It’s a nightmare, if you think you can comment on the Middle East/Israel/Zionism/jewdism in the character limit on Twitter, perhaps you shouldn’t be in politics. It stinks. He may not be the cause of the smell bit he’s been tainted.
ska invita
back on the other side
David Rosenburg stood in his defense... His account of what happened:
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Libertad
Sparking up a rollie in the Reichstag
"Cabal". Nice line in anti-semitic tropes you've got there.
brixtonscot
Well-Known Member
From what I understand and what Marc Wandsworth says in this video.......MW said he saw Ruth Smeeth exchanging a document with journalist from Telegraph , which led him to say RS was "working hand in hand" with Telegraph journalist. MW also says he was unaware at the time that RS was Jewish
brixtonscot
Well-Known Member
Is it racist to say that right wing labour MP's are working hand in hand with right wing journalists ?
butchersapron
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Of course not. What's that got to do with this idiots actions though?
brixtonscot
Well-Known Member
I thought that was basis of accusation against MW , that he said RS was working hand in hand with Telegraph journalist.
If I'm mistaken , what was case against MW ?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
That his actions brought the party into disrepute.
Ffs he went to the unveiling of a report on internal labour party antisemitism with the intention of disrupting it.
Ffs he went to the unveiling of a report on internal labour party antisemitism with the intention of disrupting it.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Shall i take this as agreement or dissent on the idea that i wouldn't say it openly if i knew they were jewish is racist then btw?
newbie
undisambiguated
that's quite a strong and fairly clear statement, well worth reading. If there are equally clear descriptions of what happened from other viewpoints I'd be interested in reading them.
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