Labour & Anti-Semitism.

[butchersapron]

I wonder why he was even at this PR event. Just interested in anti-semitism suppose.

 

[cantsin]

That his actions brought the party into disrepute.

Ffs he went to the unveiling of a report on internal labour party antisemitism with the intention of disrupting it.

Rosenbergs' statement carefully relays the actual details of what happened, but you choose to side with Smeeth, Sodexho / BICOM PR exec turned staunch Blairite at best, an Israeli State assett (according to Wikileaks ) at worst....where are you going with all this ? is yr 'enemies enemy becoming your friend ? are you f*cking sure ?

 

[cantsin]

I wonder why he was even at this PR event. Just interested in anti-semitism suppose.

you're asking why someone who's been campaigning vs racism for most of his adult life was at an anti racism event ?

 

[killer b]

I think it's totally possible to be against blairite carpetbaggers and divs who've been fucking over their own party because they can't accept they should shut the fuck up once in a while.

 

[butchersapron]

you're asking why someone who's been campaigning vs racism for most of his adult life was at an anti racism event ?

I'm asking why he chose to attend an event unveiling a report on anti-semitism in the labour party yes. I think he was there to suggest that it doesn't exist and to undermine those who claim that it does.

 

[butchersapron]

Rosenbergs' statement carefully relays the actual details of what happened, but you choose to side with Smeeth, Sodexho / BICOM PR exec turned staunch Blairite at best, an Israeli State assett (according to Wikileaks ) at worst....where are you going with all this ? is yr 'enemies enemy becoming your friend ? are you f*cking sure ?

Yes. I'm sure. You?

 

[cantsin]

Yes. I'm sure. You?

give us more BA, we deserve / demand it.... Smeeth ? c'mon....

 

[cantsin]

I think it's totally possible to be against blairite carpetbaggers and divs who've been fucking over their own party because they can't accept they should shut the fuck up once in a while.

would never pretend MW's intervention was a good idea, by any stretch, and like Ken, shutting the feck up every now and again would help us all...just not buying the idea he went there to disrupt it , or is in any way an anti semite ( especially so after reading Rosenbergs piece)

 

[butchersapron]

I couldn't care less about Smeeth. In what way is pointing out idiocy a defence of her and her views?

 

[killer b]

would never pretend MW's intervention was a good idea, by any stretch, and like Ken, shutting the feck up every now and again would help us all...just not buying the idea he went there to disrupt it , or is in any way an anti semite ( especially so after reading Rosenbergs piece)

Well he didn't shut up, so he can fuck off.

 

[butchersapron]

would never pretend MW's intervention was a good idea, by any stretch, and like Ken, shutting the feck up would help us all...

But you are - you're defending what was a planned undermining of an anti-racist report on the basis that MW calls himself an anti-racist. He wasn't there to support it was he? You - and most of the labour people i've seen offering this defence - should be so much better than this.

 

[cantsin]

Well he didn't shut up, so he can fuck off.

so deserves to get expelled from the party for an ill advised intervention, thanks largely to a co ordinated pile on from the same old cynical bastards ?

 

[butchersapron]

Once you're defending people's right to be in the labour party it's all over isn't it? Might as well just knuckle down to the long fight against the internal enemies. Do some motions and resolutions and that.

I think it's hilarious that wadsworth (last seen assaulting livingstone) defenders have to rely on livingstone defenders to back him up. This whole thing would have been an opp before -and not one to defend any side. #Creeping_corbynism.

 

[lazythursday]

so deserves to get expelled from the party for an ill advised intervention, thanks largely to a co ordinated pile on from the same old cynical bastards ?

Well whether he intended it or not he sure did bring the party into disrepute and torpedoed any chance of the Chakrabarti report being a success. But surely anyway it's not about what he deserves, it's about what's strategically best for the Labour Party in the run up to the local elections. If he'd have been judged innocent all hell would have broken loose.

 

[cantsin]

Well whether he intended it or not he sure did bring the party into disrepute and torpedoed any chance of the Chakrabarti report being a success. But surely anyway it's not about what he deserves, it's about what's strategically best for the Labour Party in the run up to the local elections. If he'd have been judged innocent all hell would have broken loose.

agree 100 %, there was almost no other option pre locals - not sure it takes total tin foil hattery to be a bit suspicious about timing here

 

[killer b]

so deserves to get expelled from the party for an ill advised intervention, thanks largely to a co ordinated pile on from the same old cynical bastards ?

Deserved or not, that's what's happened. Maybe all the other loudmouth pricks will shut the fuck up now too. If not they can go and stand outside shouting with Greenstein & Walker.

 

[cantsin]

Once you're defending people's right to be in the labour party it's all over isn't it? Might as well just knuckle down to the long fight against the internal enemies. Do some motions and resolutions and that.

I think it's hilarious that wadsworth (last seen assaulting livingstone) defenders have to rely on livingstone defenders to back him up. This whole thing would have been an opp before -and not one to defend any side. #Creeping_corbynism.

( as so soften with yr stuff, going to have to return to this / not avoiding, trying to do other stuff at same time etc)

 

[cantsin]

Deserved or not, that's what's happened. Maybe all the other loudmouth pricks will shut the fuck up now too. If not they can go and stand outside shouting with Greenstein & Walker.

am tempted to turn up to the next time Greenstein is protesting with that Momentum banner and take the fecking thing off him

 

[butchersapron]

( as so soften with yr stuff, going to have to return to this / not avoiding, trying to do other stuff at same time etc)

That's ok - busy myself and, to be honest, not in the mood for it tonight.

 

[GarveyLives]

David Rosenburg stood in his defense... His account of what happened:

Thank you for sharing this account.

 

[likesfish]

Frankly anyone who is more than a minion for Sodexo should be barred from the Labour Party on principle that labour excludes evil

 

[Pickman's model]

Frankly anyone who is more than a minion for Sodexo should be barred from the Labour Party on principle that labour excludes evil

they let tony blair in, though, didn't they?

 

[19force8]

This is an interesting account of shenanigans in the early 90's involving Wadsworth, Livingstone, Socialist Action et al

Some Political Background on Mark Wadsworth.

I've got to say I don't remember the sectarian stuff, virtually no internet in those days and I was a bit isolated in South London. Actually, the 90's as a whole are vague.

 

[Shechemite]

‘Too much fuss/nothing special about the Jews’

The kind of thing David Duke would come out with

 

[JimW]

Classic whataboutery bollocks isn't it? As if not being a raging antisemite would somehow hold you back from campaigning in support of any of those other groups mentioned.

 

[Shechemite]

It gets better (well, worse)

 

[bemused]

I don't know, if I were trying to move away from the endless stories of anti-semitism amongst some in the left I'd personally stop using the phrase 'the jews' - actually I'd stop talking about the subject entirely.

 

[cantsin]

I don't know, if I were trying to move away from the endless stories of anti-semitism amongst some in the left I'd personally stop using the phrase 'the jews' - actually I'd stop talking about the subject entirely.

agreed- but that person has 408 followers, from 1K follows - tweet after tweet with zero engagement = literally no one's listening to them anyway, though whacking up a big screen grab on here might make it look otherwise I guess

 

[Shechemite]

agreed- but that person has 408 followers, from 1K follows - tweet after tweet with zero engagement = literally no one's listening to them anyway, though whacking up a big screen grab on here might make it look otherwise I guess

More followers than me mind.

Anyway, what’s your point?

 

[cantsin]

More followers than me mind.

Anyway, what’s your point?

I would have thought that was pretty obvious