Keir Starmer's time is up
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Oh, I dunno...looks sound to me; could argue that, for parity, the positive might be shown up to 120% of index (to match the 80% on the downside) but it would have left quite a bit of white space.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
You should. When you pulled me up recently on showing a reddit post without checking all the information in it I took that as the right thing to do and I checked the information in the last reddit post I put up. You in turn should ensure that the information you're showing isn't distorted.
Eta; by just adding something like "although the y axis only goes down to 80% rather than zero"
Eta; by just adding something like "although the y axis only goes down to 80% rather than zero"
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Honestly don't think things look much rosier for the Der Socs when seen in full, tbh?
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
That's still only going down to 80%. The variations shown in that graph look four times higher than they actually are. It's the impression it gives that is wrong.
I did wonder whether I was talking bollocks because it's a weighted share but I don't think it is bollocks. Could kabbes or 2hats comment?
I did wonder whether I was talking bollocks because it's a weighted share but I don't think it is bollocks. Could kabbes or 2hats comment?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
With the exception of possibly needing one of those funny little squiggles at the base of the Y to indicate concertinaing ( ? ) looks OK to me.
It's only a catastrophic drop in vote share, not existential!
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
It's a 25% drop rather than showing a drop that looks like it down to zero and nobody's voting socdem any more!
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Absolutely agree with this
To be honest, the whole presentation of that graph is a bit odd because it is indexing something multiplicative when it is representing something that is actually on a scale strictly bounded between 0 and 1. As such, it’s inherently non-symmetrical. If 100 in 1970 represented 80% of the total vote then the downside potential is much greater than the upside and vice versa if 1970 represented 20% of the total vote. I feel I’m missing information to make sense of the story.
you can’t get around the fact that it shows a sudden decline in support in recent years though.
you can’t get around the fact that it shows a sudden decline in support in recent years though.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Relative to the share they took in 1970, e.g. SD parties might have taken 45% of the vote in 1970 and that increased to 50% in 1982-4Init. 110% share of the vote?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Yeah I know. Although to me that's an index, not a 'weighted share'.
this recent piece in the jacobin gives some actual figures on recent elections across europe fwiw
jacobinmag.com
Can Europe’s Center Left Survive Another Crisis?
The Great Recession sent Europe’s social-democratic parties into a tailspin, exposing the contradictions of their political model. Now they face the pressure of another economic downturn, without having recovered from the last one or developed a convincing new vision.
jacobinmag.com
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
Tbh, graphs aside I think one of the big questions is where those votes go. Like, I'm not an electoral person so this isn't really my argument to make, but if I were - and presumably the CLPs backing PR are, which is where this all started - I'd feel very differently about something that might lead to a huge fall in Labour's vote if that was going to a Podemos/Syriza thing than it was to 5 Star Movement or whatever. Although I accept that "I think Labour should endorse PR as a transitional demand leading to the destruction of the Labour Party" might be a difficult argument to sell at conference either way.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
people at john smith house or whatever it's called now will be looking at large swathes of the country thinking sod 'em
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Did anyone just listen to Starmer’s speech live on LBC ? The content was good I though but the delivery was shit. I know it should be about the politics & not the personality but ffs we need better than this.
The content was good was it? All I heard about was a middle class savings bond which would either have to pay a derisory rate of interest or else be subsidised by favouring it over cheaper gilt borrowing. The Tories must be worried.
I've only looked at the guardian's summary and can't see much to get excited about there tbh
www.theguardian.com
Keir Starmer: Labour must work with business to create fairer society
Labour leader calls for ‘moral crusade’ in wake of Covid pandemic to deliver social justice and equality
splonkydoo
Well-Known Member
PR doesn't = a left wing government, and the questions of those countries you mention can hardly be limited simply to the electoral process.
What it does do, is increase the likelihood of actual socialists being elected to parliament on explicit left platforms, and being able to challenge the goverernment of the day directly on policies. It would also make - the possibility- of contesting national elections much easier, and probably more affordable.
You know this yourself, that there is a long held view amongst revolutionary socialists of using every platform they can to engage people, including parliament. Rather than changing the political dynamic of a country which you seem to be suggesting, it simply opens up this terrain to be more effectively utilised and challenged.
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