Keir Starmer's time is up
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Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
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GarveyLives
Well-Known Member
"Things Can Only Get Better"?
Dissatisfaction with Starmer reaches 61%, his highest as Labour leader
Really bored of this winter fuel thing now. Tons more people are applying for pension credits and the richest pensions are no longer getting a benefit they don't need. Exactly what a Labour government should be doing.
Now need to fix the crazy energy system to tackle the cause rather than the symptoms.
Now need to fix the crazy energy system to tackle the cause rather than the symptoms.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Loads of people applying for PC getting knocked back. Sure, people who don't need it shouldn't get it but they've chosen a very blunt tool to determine eligibility
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Me too. Why can't the old just quietly freeze to death without moaning about 'this winter fuel thing'? Soooo selfish and boring.
Got any data on that? Or is it just what you've heard dead behind the eyes Labour ministers say?
LoL.
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Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
i've said this before, but pensioners with an income slightly above the pension credit threshold (about £ 220 a week last time i looked) are not 'wealthy' or 'rich'
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Another bungling mess. Presumably being shit at politics is also 'exactly what a Labour Government should be doing'?
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Saying you're bored of something doesn't persuade me you're here for reasoned debate. Who here is opposing all three policies?
Kemi Badenoch saying at PMQs that the winter fuel allowance changes might not even raise any money because the 800,000+ that are entitled to pension credits but haven't applied for them might do so is precisely a reason to do it. Imagine thinking that richer pensions should. benefit from poorer ones not knowing what they're entitled to!
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
You've been asked tp provide some evidence to back up your claim that 'tons' of people are making pension credit claims. So, again,
How many additional pensioners are in receipt of pension credit?
How many claims have been received?
If you want reasoned debate, you need to make reasoned points.
I'm on the side of those pensioners who can't afford to put the heating on. That's the only side to be on.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
And if there has been a surge in applications for pension credits, that actually shows that the fuel allowance was doing its job.
One thing we can guarantee - fewer people who need help will get it now the WFA has been abolished, however many more pensioners are applying for benefits.
And that's before we even look at the shameful situation whereby pensioners are forced to apply for means-tested benefits just to keep themselves warm.
Sorry, I thought anyone with even a passing interest was awareness this.
42,500 extra receiving with aims donning since the policy was announced.
Tens of thousands more pensioners now in receipt of Pension Credit
The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) has released new statistics today [Thursday 28 November] on the amount of Pension Credit applications, as well as applications processed and those claims that were successful.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
I haven't seen any actual evidence to support the claim that there has been an increase in uptake just vague spin from Labour.
But, even if there is a) good, this is only what they were entitled to and b) it does nothing to help those 1.7m pensioners just above the threshold.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
This is to be welcomed, of course. Lots of people have been energised around the country to ensure the impoverished elderly don't freeze this winter by helping them to claim what they are due.Sorry, I thought anyone with even a passing interest was awareness this.
42,500 extra receiving with aims donning since the policy was announced.
Tens of thousands more pensioners now in receipt of Pension Credit
The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) has released new statistics today [Thursday 28 November] on the amount of Pension Credit applications, as well as applications processed and those claims that were successful.www.gov.uk
But how many have been missed? Do you have that number? Or do we have to wait until the end of the winter to see how many people have died (we're fortunate so far that the winter hasn't been really cold yet, but we still have Jan and Feb to come so early days).
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Sorry, I thought anyone with even a passing interest was awareness this.
42,500 extra receiving with aims donning since the policy was announced.
Tens of thousands more pensioners now in receipt of Pension Credit
The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) has released new statistics today [Thursday 28 November] on the amount of Pension Credit applications, as well as applications processed and those claims that were successful.
We are. That data shows a 4% increase. so 96% of those eligible but not in receipt still aren't.
As I said, there is no actual evidence to support your claim that 'tons' are taking up what they are entitled to.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
There's some clear and indeed explicit whataboutery in your post. And you have the gall to talk about reasoned debate.
Should. saying have some actual experience. Mother-in-law wasn't aware she was entitled to pension credit and is now receiving it. Parents didn't need winter fuel and are happy now not to receive it. Appreciate those are quite black & white examples and there will be grey but it was a bad policy from he start that was just trying to hide greater failures and used as a bribe by the Tories.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
I am glad to hear this.
You are aware that the Allowance was introduced by Labour aren't you?
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
and that the 2017 tory manifesto included abolishing it - and the 'triple lock' - both opposed by the (then) labour party.
for some reason the 2017 tory government didn't quite get round to this.
gosub
~#
Given the footage of Starmer at the NFU conference last year and what he said to the WASPIs before being elected ...how do have reasoned debate? These people were lied to
Lurdan
old wave
I'm a bit better off than you. I get the basic £221 state pension. However my working life coincided with the now removed State Second Pension, and I didn't opt out (as many women were "encouraged" to in the days when men were expected to earn the 'family wage' - a concept Labour party policies still revolved about long after it ceased to reflect reality). So I get an additional £64 a week. However I don't qualify for Pension Credit (like many people who get far less than me) or Housing Benefit, so rent and council tax swallow up 44% of that. If I didn't live in a council bedsit (and luckily one which is relatively inexpensive to keep warm) I'd be very significantly worse off. As many other state pensioners are.
A rough calculation suggests that my more 'generous' pension of £14800 is over £3000 less than if I was working 35 hours a week for minimum wage after basic tax and NI are deducted. (Happy to be corrected about that. I've no wish to underplay my 'relative privilege').
Speaking as one of the 'rich kulaks' (ha ha) I'm not happy about losing the Winter Fuel Allowance but what really wound me up was getting a second letter the same week including an income tax bill for over £200. Tax allowances were frozen in 2022 and this Government have stuck with the plan to keep them frozen until 2027/28. As a consequence increasing numbers of state pensioners have got tax demands as the "generationally unfair" (ha ha) triple lock has raised pensions to the point where some can be clawed back again. However that's all a bit technical, isn't it, so it would be unreasonable to expect some of our newly minted 'allies' to take it up with the same enthusiasm as the issue of the fuel allowance. The same has been the case with the way women have been treated. It's all a bit too 'complicated'.
I fear that my 'bad attitude' about this (not my situation but that of state pensioners in general) extends to getting very grumpy as I read over the top bloviating from people for whom the withdrawal of the Winter Fuel Allowance is no more than a stick to beat this Government with. Who demonstrate not a single clue about the reality of how state pension policy has been one fucking bodge and "cunning plan" after another, over many decades, which still leaves the UK with one of the less generous state pensions. And many of whom will rapidly move on to the next 'issue' and discard this 'complicated' one sooner rather than later.
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