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Keir Starmer's time is up

Labour bulyying the Speaker into accepting their amendment looks distinctly wanky. Par for the course I suppose.

Senior Labour figures have told BBC Newsnight that the commons speaker Sir Lyndsay Hoyle was left in no doubt that Labour was prepared to see him fall as speaker after the general election unless he called its Gaza amendment.
Newsnight has been told that it was made clear that Hoyle would need Labour votes to be re-elected after the general election and this might not be forthcoming.
That would effectively mean he would lose the speakership.
 
That's a serious candidate for worst Graun article of the year, but this bit legimitately made me laugh out loud.

At one stage, I wanted to call my biography of him The Unpolitician because he doesn’t fit the template of political leaders.
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Imagine convincing yourself of that, the mental contortions required to charcterise him as not being the absolute model of a machine politician, and saying it with a straight face! Incredible.
 
Johnny Vodka said:
Oh ffs, don't read this article unless you have a sick bag to hand.

www.theguardian.com

Emotional, messy and breathtakingly ruthless: the hidden life of Keir Starmer

The most working class leader of the Labour party for a generation, he is well ahead in the polls, but still a mystery to many. His biographer reveals what drives this unusual politician
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Anyone mocking Sir Keith is apparently a "snob"...
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Yeah, he's so ordinary, we're told (but no, not boring!) and all the working class people taking the piss out of him don't actually exist.
 
Rob Ray said:
That's a serious candidate for worst Graun article of the year,
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taken from a book Keir Starmer: The Biography by Tom Baldwin

Who is Tom Baldwin?
Tom Baldwin is a British journalist, author and former Labour Party senior adviser. He has worked as a journalist for a number of national titles including The Times and The Sunday Telegraph. He was also a senior political adviser to Ed Miliband and director of communications & strategy at the Labour Party. :thumbs:
 
Deputy political editor of the Times, no less, before turning his prodigious talents to helping, erm, Ed Miliband. Yeesh. Also a descendant of Joseph Rowntree who, after his (inevitable) Oxford Uni stint, married a multi-millionaire heiress and lives in a Highbury Fields mansion. Hardly the sort of man to be getting sniffy about the out-of-touch left.

The Mail did a hell of a hit piece on him in 2010 (archive.ph link here for the ethical readers amongst you )
 
Ah but 2010 was a different time, you couldn't expect them not to be shaming people's sexual preferences, they didn't know any better, etc etc.
 
belboid said:
Labour bulyying the Speaker into accepting their amendment looks distinctly wanky. Par for the course I suppose.

Senior Labour figures have told BBC Newsnight that the commons speaker Sir Lyndsay Hoyle was left in no doubt that Labour was prepared to see him fall as speaker after the general election unless he called its Gaza amendment.
Newsnight has been told that it was made clear that Hoyle would need Labour votes to be re-elected after the general election and this might not be forthcoming.
That would effectively mean he would lose the speakership.
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Shithouse of a speaker allows shithouse of a Labour leader to avoid acquiring a backbone.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
Still, if he had any integrity, he would resign over this. The UK economy isn't in a worse state than it was six months ago. If anything, it is slightly better.
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He literally can’t. They have him over a barrel. That’s why he always looks like he’s losing the battle against wet farts. Because he knows he has to peddle falsehoods lest he be exposed.
 
gosub said:
What exactly was difference between the SNP vote, the Tory amendment and the Labour one?


Cos it looks very much like Labour games to me
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SNP called for a ceasefire.

Tories didn't call for a ceasefire.

Labour were too afraid of all their MPs supporting the SNP so wrote a mish-mash of bollocks over breakfast in Starbucks largely condemning Hamas and calling for a humanitarian ceasefire.

Fill yer boots.

www.thenational.scot

The SNP's Gaza ceasefire motion and all three amendments – in full

LABOUR, the Tory government, and the LibDems have all tabled amendments ahead of a Westminster vote on an SNP motion calling for an immediate…
www.thenational.scot www.thenational.scot
 
gosub said:
What exactly was difference between the SNP vote, the Tory amendment and the Labour one?


Cos it looks very much like Labour games to me
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PR1Berske said:
"Ceasefire in Gaza" debate in the House of Commons this afternoon.

SNP motion:
That this House calls for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza and Israel; notes with shock and distress that the death toll has now risen beyond 28,000, the vast majority of whom were women and children; further notes that there are currently 1.5 million Palestinians sheltering in Rafah, 610,000 of whom are children; also notes that they have nowhere else to go; condemns any military assault on what is now the largest refugee camp in the world; further calls for the immediate release of all hostages taken by Hamas and an end to the collective punishment of the Palestinian people; and recognises that the only way to stop the slaughter of innocent civilians is to press for a ceasefire now.

Labour amendment
Leave out from “House” to end and add:

"believes that an Israeli ground offensive in Rafah risks catastrophic humanitarian consequences and therefore must not take place; notes the intolerable loss of Palestinian life, the majority being women and children; condemns the terrorism of Hamas who continue to hold hostages; supports Australia, Canada and New Zealand’s calls for Hamas to release and return all hostages and for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire, which means an immediate stop to the fighting and a ceasefire that lasts and is observed by all sides, noting that Israel cannot be expected to cease fighting if Hamas continues with violence and that Israelis have the right to the assurance that the horror of 7 October 2023 cannot happen again; therefore supports diplomatic mediation efforts to achieve a lasting ceasefire; demands that rapid and unimpeded humanitarian relief is provided in Gaza; further demands an end to settlement expansion and violence; urges Israel to comply with the International Court of Justice’s provisional measures; calls for the UN Security Council to meet urgently; and urges all international partners to work together to establish a diplomatic process to deliver the peace of a two-state solution, with a safe and secure Israel alongside a viable Palestinian state, including working with international partners to recognise a Palestinian state as a contribution to rather than outcome of that process, because statehood is the inalienable right of the Palestinian people and not in the gift of any neighbour.”

Government amendment
Leave out from “House” to end and add:

“supports Israel’s right to self-defence, in compliance with international humanitarian law, against the terror attacks perpetrated by Hamas; condemns the slaughter, abuse and gender-based violence perpetrated on 7 October 2023; further condemns the use of civilian areas by Hamas and others for terrorist operations; urges negotiations to agree an immediate humanitarian pause as the best way to stop the fighting and to get aid in and hostages out; supports moves towards a permanent sustainable ceasefire; acknowledges that achieving this will require all hostages to be released, the formation of a new Palestinian Government, Hamas to be unable to launch further attacks and to be no longer in charge in Gaza, and a credible pathway to a two-state solution which delivers peace, security and justice for both Israelis and Palestinians; expresses concern at the humanitarian crisis in Gaza and at the prospect of a military offensive in Rafah; reaffirms the urgent need to significantly scale up the flow of aid into Gaza, where too many innocent civilians have died; and calls on all parties to take immediate steps to stop the fighting and ensure unhindered humanitarian access.”

Liberal Democrat amendment
Leave out from “House” to end and add:

“expresses its devastation at the mounting humanitarian disaster in Gaza with tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians killed, millions displaced and thousands of homes destroyed; calls on the Prime Minister to oppose publicly and at the UN Security Council the proposed IDF offensive in Rafah; further urges Hamas to unconditionally and immediately release the over 100 hostages taken following the deplorable attacks on 7 October 2023; notes the unprecedented levels of illegal settler violence in the Occupied Palestinian Territories left unchecked by the Israeli Government; welcomes the recent sanctions by the UK Government against four extremist Israeli settlers who have committed human rights abuses against Palestinian communities in the West Bank; urges the UK Government to sanction all violent settlers and their connected entities; calls on the UK Government to uphold international law and the judgments of international courts under all circumstances; further notes that the only path to regional security is a two-state solution based on 1967 borders with Hamas not in power; condemns Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu’s repeated assertions that there is no future for a Palestinian state; and further urges the UK Government to call for an immediate bilateral ceasefire in Gaza, which will allow an end to the humanitarian devastation, get the hostages out and provide an opportunity for a political process leading to a two-state solution, providing security and dignity for all peoples in Palestine and Israel.”

Will be debated after PMQs this afternoon
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Elpenor said:
So am I right in saying they had a chance to vote for a ceasefire but chose not

I’m sure if the tables were turned they’d have been found a way to vote for a war
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Nope they did a bald men arguing over a comb routine and ended up passing a motion calling for a ceasefire without a vote
 
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Note that the SNP Motion did not actually call for the government to cease supporting the war effort of the State of Israel. The UK not only exports arms to that state, but has also been providing in the form of RAF overflights of the Gaza Strip.

There is nothing in the SNP Motion about the UK using all possible means to pressure the State of Israel into desisting from violating international humanitarian law.
 
It will be interesting to see the repercussions of today, firstly in terms of the actual motion and secondly in terms of the allegation that Hoyle was intimidated into allowing the vote on the Labour motion.

With the latter, I don't know how serious this is or if it happens all the time at Westminster (probably the latter). Horrible state of affairs though not that horrible in the greater scheme of things:

'Dad, please don't go out': The Gazans killed as Israel freed hostages :(:mad:
 
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