Keir Starmer's time is up

[The39thStep]

interesting thing i got from this

Tony Blair tells Starmer to drop ‘woke’ politics and focus on economy

Former PM says Labour leader needs to win back remainers who voted Tory in 2019 election

www.theguardian.com

was the policy suggestion of biometric ID cards
- so Starmer id bet the farm he proposes it (though maybe thats more of a second term lol policy)

Funnily enough one thing that is good about the EU is it’s biometric ID cards

 

[Pickman's model]

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[ruffneck23]

 

[ska invita]

Funnily enough one thing that is good about the EU is it’s biometric ID cards

I still have privacy concerns particularly with regards facial recognition, but I see it as an inevitability. Once the ID to vote thing kicks in it provides another rationale to do it

 

[Pickman's model]

I still have privacy concerns particularly with regards facial recognition, but I see it as an inevitability. Once the ID to vote thing kicks in it provides another rationale to do it

No, it doesn't. The argument may indeed be put forwards but it's not founded on the logical basis rationales are, rather it is a point at which Tory voter suppression interests meet commercial interests

 

[ska invita]

No, it doesn't. The argument may indeed be put forwards but it's not founded on the logical basis rationales are, rather it is a point at which Tory voter suppression interests meet commercial interests

So let me understand - you are making a pedantic point about the correct definition of the word "rationale"?

 

[SpookyFrank]

Funnily enough one thing that is good about the EU is it’s biometric ID cards

What's good about them? In much of Europe you're required to have ID at all times and can be compelled to produce it for no fucking reason at all. The fact this has never caught on in the UK is one of the few things that are better here than in the EU.

Blair failed with this idea before and now he wants another crack at it. Because he's a mad cunt.

E2a: Even if ID cards were a good idea, if either labour or the tories were implementing them it'd be a bottomless pit of cash for every spiv IT consultant from here to Hong Kong and it still wouldn't work. But they'd pretend it did work and make it mandatory for everything, causing untold grief and misery.

 

[Pickman's model]

So let me understand - you are making a pedantic point about the correct definition of the word "rationale"?

this is the sort of thing people contribute when they can't actually argue with the substance of a post

 

[Wilf]

Starmer says ‘make Brexit work’ which a) presumes ‘Brexit’ means something and b) presumes anything about leave is going to work on the land border between the UK and the EU.
Perhaps he needs solutions from those ‘lexiter’ morons.

2016 wants its argument back.

 

[philosophical]

2016 wants its argument back.

A lot of people say stuff like that. Close down or avoid the glaring issue by whinging on about ‘let’s not re-run the leave debate’, a handy line for some, but not a solution to the issue that existed in the run up to the vote, during the vote, and remains an issue since the vote, as events in the last week in Northern Ireland have shown.
Leave won the vote, but then avoids the consequences, and digs out others who highlight the consequences of leave.

 

[philosophical]

 

[The39thStep]

What's good about them? In much of Europe you're required to have ID at all times and can be compelled to produce it for no fucking reason at all. The fact this has never caught on in the UK is one of the few things that are better here than in the EU.

Blair failed with this idea before and now he wants another crack at it. Because he's a mad cunt.

E2a: Even if ID cards were a good idea if either labour or the tories were implementing them it'd be a bottomless pit of cash for every spiv IT consultant from here to Hong Kong and it still wouldn't work. But they'd pretend it did work and make it mandatory for everything, causing untold grief and misery.

I think you partially answered the 'what's good about them ' in your first sentence. Over here the ID card is for voting, health/hospital visits/, contact with govt departments
travel within EU , and any other stuff where you have to show entitlement or identity. I'm still waiting for mine ( the border control service is being reorganised ) so have to carry three separate pieces of paper.

Agree with your last para though.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I think you partially answered the 'what's good about them ' in your first sentence. Over here the ID card is for voting, health/hospital visits/, contact with govt departments
travel within EU , and any other stuff where you have to show entitlement or identity. I'm still waiting for mine ( the border control service is being reorganised ) so have to carry three separate pieces of paper.

For this to make sense you'd have to first establish that, for example, having photo ID for voting was necessary. We've never had it before, and electoral fraud (by actual voters at least) has been so rare as to be an irrelevance.

In Europe ID cards are needed for everything because they're mandatory. They're not mandatory because they're needed for everything. They invented the thing first, and then the reason for inventing it.

In the UK, the reason was supposedly terrorism. Before that it was 'challenge 21' and the massive entrapment operation that went with it. Now it's voter ID, yet another problem that the state could more easily fix by simply not making it a problem in the first place.

 

[NoXion]

Seems a bit daft security-wise to have your entire legal identity encoded onto a single card that could get lost or stolen. OK, maybe they could techify it by having the "ID Card" be an app on your smartphone. Which would be even worse from a security standpoint, because the identity thief need not even be in the same part of the country now that it's stored on an internet-connected device.

 

[Rob Ray]

Not to mention it'd be an absolute gift for law enforcement if they're looking to harass or ID someone at a protest. They've got enough repressive weaponry in their arsenal as it is.

 

[NoXion]

Not to mention it'd be an absolute gift for law enforcement if they're looking to harass or ID someone at a protest. They've got enough repressive weaponry in their arsenal as it is.

What happens in the EU?

 

[Rob Ray]

What happens in the EU?

Depends on the country I'd imagine. In France though (to take one example) it's been used repeatedly to go after anyone showing "visible signs of foreignness" (this is an actual legal term) as part of anti-migrant crackdowns. Not showing ID at a protest is also grounds for being taken into custody, unlike in Britain where you can only be made to give your name if you're suspected of an offence.

 

[steveseagull]

His team are already planning on losing the next election and making plans to replace him. He has done his job. he has hounded the left out. Now it is time for him to go and be replaced by a hardline Blairite.

 

[Pickman's model]

His team are already planning on losing the next election and making plans to replace him. He has done his job. he has hounded the left out. Now it is time for him to go and be replaced by a hardline Blairite.

don't think 6-12 months long enough for labour to learn from their mistakes

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

From their point of view the 'mistakes' are always going to be 'was too left wing', regardless of what happens. Reckon they could get there in five minutes tbh.

 

[steveseagull]

Thanks for the screenie. Didn't notice it had chopped it off.

The problem with centrists is they could never ever consider they are wrong about anything so I doubt any mistake learning is going to happen. See tony Blair's new wheeze

 

[steveseagull]

"HOW CAN WE POSSIBLY BE WRONG! WE ARE ON THE SENSIBLE CENTRE"

 

[two sheds]

"WE JUST NEED TO ADJUST OUR MESSAGING AND WE'LL WIN NEXT TIME"

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

MORE FLAGS!!!!!

 

[Pickman's model]

MORE FLAGS!!!!!

 

[two sheds]

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why aren't you holding flags in your avatar? that's just unpatriotic.

 

[Pickman's model]

why aren't you holding flags in your avatar? that's just unpatriotic.

i was directing the semaphore signalling

 

[Pickman's model]

why aren't you holding flags in your avatar? that's just unpatriotic.

surprised you haven't deciphered the message in 7315

 

[two sheds]

i left the cubs because they wouldn't give me my skipping badge and Google images doesn't seem to do that sort of thing

 

[Pickman's model]

i left the cubs because they wouldn't give me my skipping badge and Google images doesn't seem to do that sort of thing

fuck off shammer