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Keir Starmer's time is up

Smokeandsteam said:
Yeah, you’re spot on. The idea that Johnson has magicked this up or has legitimised these goons is miles wide of the mark. The fact he’s copping the blame for it is fucking brilliant though…
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Really? As I say, hardly anyone would have known what they were on about without Johnson.

Although agreed that Johnson getting the blame is brilliant, but I'd say he totally deserves the blame for it. I'd not heard of the far right smears before. He's brought it mainstream.
 
two sheds said:
Really? As I say, hardly anyone would have known what they were on about without Johnson.

Although agreed that Johnson getting the blame is brilliant, but I'd say he totally deserves the blame for it. I'd not heard of the far right smears before. He's brought it mainstream.
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Really? Where do you think Johnson got the smear from? Who was spreading it over social media?
 
killer b said:
they were already going for it. it's their conspiracy theory. I wouldn't be surprised if something similar hadn't happened before but no-one noticed.
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Naah, they go on about the bbc being to blame for savile. Starmer wasn’t significant enough to fit into any the Yankee imported narrative.
 
Smokeandsteam said:
There is a massive amount of this stuff flying about, and some of it does filter into the mainstream. The leftie/Labour/BBC/CPS paedo cover up/apologist stuff is fairly well known isn’t it?
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Not the leftie/Labour stuff by most people I wouldn't have thought. I don't generally look at far right sources and I doubt most people (apart from the conspiraloons) do. Johnson brought it right into the mainstream.

As you say, it's good he's getting the blame but I do think he deserves it, particularly if he originally saw it in far-right sources.
 
two sheds said:
Not the leftie/Labour stuff by most people I wouldn't have thought. I don't generally look at far right sources and I doubt most people (apart from the conspiraloons) do. Johnson brought it right into the mainstream
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Neither do I. But this stuff does find its way into the mainstream. I’ve been sat talking in the alehouse/at the football/in work and someone comes out with some barmy shit. It can normally be traced back to something they’ve seen on social media. Which, of course, is precisely the aim of the posters of it
 
Smokeandsteam said:
Neither do I. But this stuff does find its way into the mainstream. I’ve been sat talking in the alehouse/at the football/in work and someone comes out with some barmy shit. It can normally be traced back to something they’ve seen on social media. Which, of course, is precisely the aim of the posters of it
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Ah fair play I'm not on Facebook or Twitter or the like so haven't seen any of that.
 
killer b said:
OK, must be some other BBC paedo obsessed far right conspiracy theorists came up with it.
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Or even the fact that he was head of the cps when they decided not to prosecute. Of course it’s out there and was thrown at him by Tory and lefty knobs even before the far right lions. If it weren’t for Johnson’s comments they’d still have had a go, but would probably have been screaming about lockdown or vaccine passports.
 
Well here's a clincher: skwakwbox who I honestly don't usually look at but are going to be the impartial source on this :thumbs:

skwawkbox.org

Johnson says Starmer ‘nothing to do’ with Savile decision – but is he right?

Starmer: no denial of involvement in Savile decision – nor naming anyone else who was – though FOI shows he was at least aware After pressure from his own MPs rallying to Keir Starmer&#…
skwawkbox.org skwawkbox.org

Skwawkbox put the matter to Keir Starmer directly, via text message and email on Thursday:

Boris Johnson has withdrawn his comment about you making the decision not to prosecute Savile and has now said you had nothing to do with it. But he doesn’t know that, since the CPS deleted its records about the decision, claiming data protection reasons. What is on record is that you as DPP were consulted by the CPS on whether it should release who was responsible and the info was withheld. So either you decided it or you know who did. Please provide no later than 5pm:
1. Do you categorically deny making or participating in that decision?
2. If yes, why have you not said in the public interest who it was?
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Mr Starmer did not respond, despite a deadline of 5pm that day for comment and a wait of two further days to allow time for a response, either to deny that he was involved in the decision not to prosecute Jimmy Savile nor to explain why he has never said who was.
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Note this: Starmer didn't respond to Skwawkbox despite a deadline of 5pm that day.

I think we all know the reason for this :hmm:



:D
 
belboid said:
Or even the fact that he was head of the cps when they decided not to prosecute. Of course it’s out there and was thrown at him by Tory and lefty knobs even before the far right lions. If it weren’t for Johnson’s comments they’d still have had a go, but would probably have been screaming about lockdown or vaccine passports.
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If Starmer doesn't oppose Johnson at this point...?
 
Smokeandsteam said:
There is a massive amount of this stuff flying about, and some of it does filter into the mainstream. The leftie/Labour/BBC/CPS paedo cover up/apologist stuff is fairly well known isn’t it?
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I'd never heard of it. That the BBC was shit wrt Savile, sure. But that there was a conspiracy that extended to government and starmer at the DPS? Johnson saying it was genuinely the first I had heard it .
 
I've seen the starmer/Saville stuff a fair bit on the spectator Facebook pages, so I presume it's probably fairly well known within the gammon-sphere.
 
I hadn't heard about the Starmer/Savile link either until Johnson said it. I'd wager the majority of the public haven't either. I'd include a lot of the paedo/Labour stuff in that too. Hearing it down the pub/football/bingo/on whippet walk is one thing but I still don't think most people are across this stuff particularly well.

It has echos of when Trump legitimised White supremacist nazi wankers. They've always been there in American society and lots of people knew they were always there but he really brought them into the light.
 
brogdale said:
I know that Mirza cast the use of the Savile comment as scurrilous in her valedictory, but I bet she advised against on the basis of poor strategising...the issue has been capable of nudging the news agenda slightly away from parties but merely by highlighting another aspect of Johnson’s many failings.
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Totally - linking yourself politically to these goons is pure poison.
 
I think Starmer should resign (from what I've seen labour members have been expelled for less) and demand that ethically and by the same logic Johnson should resign. Leaving the race open for all the labour members who've resigned to rejoin and vote Laura Pidcock in as leader of the party, ready to sweep the country at the next election :thumbs:
 
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